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Old July 11th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #1
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I just read an article over on Jalopnik about a group of guys that are complaining because 10 of 14 that went out for a ride came back with bent frames.

The video shows they are flying, a similar outing claiming they'll be doing 110+ in the desert. What did they expect?


Seems outrageous to me to think that Ford should somehow come up with an unbendable frame. It's not like you are buying a Trophy Truck, it's a pick-up with some go-fast parts.

http://jalopnik.com/5820104/are-ford...or-off+roading
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Old July 11th, 2011, 03:15 PM   #2
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Yeah you are kind of right, but the raptor's claim to fame is its ability to perform in that environment "out of the box" I would expect ford to build the frame to at least compliment the power and suspension abilities of the truck. This goes back to that Nissan GTR launch control argument. Obviously ford has no control over the abuse that an owner may inflict on his raptor, but the truck should be able to stand up to the abuse that ford itself advertises that it has the ability to take.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 03:19 PM   #3
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Many of the world's supercars are advertised to be capable of 200+ mph. People spend the money for this ability alone. However, if the majority of the cars that claim this ability actually blow up at similar speeds, then this is something that the company should not boast about.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 03:19 PM   #4
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yeah, except that's what the advertisement shows...................
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Old July 11th, 2011, 03:21 PM   #5
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How would they expect the frame to not bend without a cage tied in a few places? I'm no engineer but it seems tweaking is inevitable without a structure to "bridge" it.

Pay to play, I guess.
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The bad thing, is things like this are what discourage OEMs from putting out cool special versions in the first place. Like when the dumb kid wrecks his dirt bike or shoots his eye out or has his pit bull maul nuns and puppies, then our moms take ours away too
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Quote from one of the drivers of the 14:

If Ford fixes these, I will be surprised. Why? The trucks were driven past what they are capable of. You do not buy a GT500 and expect it to drive like a race car, why would you buy a Raptor and expect it to handle and take the abuse of a trophy truck?...While it was not a challenging route we took, we caught quite a bit of air, jumped the road, hit numerous G-Outs at faster than anything sensible, hit speeds off road in excess of 125mph (I did) and had a shit load of fun doing so. How were most of the bent frames caused? inherent weakness in the frame and over driving the truck. Is there mods to fix this for those of you who are scared? Yes. Drive slower in the desert and know the road you are driving.
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Actually that video seemed kinda tame. Maybe the 'kicker' was a harder hit, but that tiny skip over that little road was nothing. None of that seemed too unreasonable?
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If Ford fixes these, I will be surprised. Why? The trucks were driven past what they are capable of. You do not buy a GT500 and expect it to drive like a race car, why would you buy a Raptor and expect it to handle and take the abuse of a trophy truck?...While it was not a challenging route we took, we caught quite a bit of air, jumped the road, hit numerous G-Outs at faster than anything sensible, hit speeds off road in excess of 125mph (I did) and had a shit load of fun doing so. How were most of the bent frames caused? inherent weakness in the frame and over driving the truck. Is there mods to fix this for those of you who are scared? Yes. Drive slower in the desert and know the road you are driving.
Or just cage the damn thing. Out here most trucks, prerunners or otherwise are caged to some extent. Some people think it looks cool, some people beat the crap out of them. From the popularity of those types of trucks out here I would think it would be rather obvious to cage a truck you are going to beat the crap out of off road. At least a bedcage.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #10
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yeah, except that's what the advertisement shows...................
So that means you can take a new Grand Cherokee or Wrangler and drive to a mountaintop that is a near vertical ascent all the way around?

Advertising is expected to stretch the truth a bit, hence all the 'closed course, professional driver' disclaimers.
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110-125mph ain't that bad? So they should handle this? Skip to 1:10 if you're in a time crunch.



I think I'd want more than factory belts and no cage if I'm clipping at those speeds.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #12
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110-125mph ain't that bad? So they should handle this? Skip to 1:10 if you're in a time crunch.


I think I'd want more than factory belts and no cage if I'm clipping at those speeds.
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For how much Ford claimed to beat on the trucks in testing, you would think they'd notice an apparent issue like that.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:02 PM   #14
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aren't the raptors speed limited to 98 mph?

SVT is generally really forgiving how they warranty stuff, but I think this might be a little extreme even for them. We'll see though.
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Actually that video seemed kinda tame. Maybe the 'kicker' was a harder hit, but that tiny skip over that little road was nothing. None of that seemed too unreasonable?
agreed, that video didn't really look to bad, I know videos are decieving, the way this truck was advertised and the amount of frames bending I think ford needs to step it up a notch.

It looks cool, but can't seem to handle what it was advertised to be
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Old July 11th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #16
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Its a glorified grocery getter what do you expect?
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Old July 11th, 2011, 09:18 PM   #17
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I'd deny that claim :)
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drivers fault all the way.

they were driving beyond not only their ability, but also the trucks, and without any knowledge of the course as well.

baja races are prerunned for a reason, so the navigator can mark on GPS the whoops, dips, jumps, where they can gun it, and where they have to take it easy.
that wasnt done here.

inexperience was the problem here.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #19
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Its the advertising just as much as the driver. If they hadnt hyped this piece of shit up so much, then people wouldnt be as apt to beat the fukc out of them. Shady advertising + man with too much money = Sadness. Fuck Ford, Fuck "kickers".
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Old July 11th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #20
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I almost doubt that they bent the frame from anything in the video, but you never know what else they hit- if the frame got bent from those little things I would be dissapointed with the truck myself
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