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Old July 11th, 2011, 10:51 PM   #1
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No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While Politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, andreceive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.



Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?

35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.

This is an idea that we should address.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

If each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message.. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."
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Old July 11th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #2
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Old July 11th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #3
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Old July 11th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #4
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[a] Snopes says bullshit to student loan claim.

[b] This reads like a hyper 10 year-old wrote it - jumps from thought to thought, idea to idea...

[c] I agree in principal - Congress shouldn't be able to exempt itself from laws, something it does with some regularity.
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My mother sent it to me and most times shes good about not spamming.. So thought it was worth the read..

Should have ran snopes on it.. my bad....
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Old July 11th, 2011, 11:48 PM   #6
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Retarded as a thread or because they get away with it?

I have served two tours in Iraq and I don't think this is retarded. Do I think Americans will come together and try to change this? Hell no.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 11:50 PM   #7
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[a] Snopes says bullshit to student loan claim.

[b] This reads like a hyper 10 year-old wrote it - jumps from thought to thought, idea to idea...

[c] I agree in principal - Congress shouldn't be able to exempt itself from laws, something it does with some regularity.
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My mother sent it to me and most times shes good about not spamming.. So thought it was worth the read..

Should have ran snopes on it.. my bad....
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Old July 12th, 2011, 07:02 AM   #9
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Retarded as a thread or because they get away with it?

I have served two tours in Iraq and I don't think this is retarded. Do I think Americans will come together and try to change this? Hell no.
The proposed amendment.
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I don't believe that congress should be above the law. But when this started getting into the people that protect our country thing that pisses me off. Its like for some reason people feel that they need to point out the hardships that people in the military face in contrast to the seemingly wonderful life that is higher government. I think that is all bullshit, and where do the rest of us fall? In the middle, basically we fade into the back ground with no appreciation for what we do everyday or what services we provide for this country. This spam mail of a "call to action" paper is strong in saying that everyone should be treated equally so why is it pitting the gov't against the military and forgetting about the other millions of people that are affected by unemployment, wage cuts, lack of benefits, health care... everyday. Whatever, this shit just makes me mad. Stupid people write it, impressionable people read it, gullible people believe it, no one acts on it... pointless.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 08:17 AM   #11
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the higher in government you are the better pay and perks you should get for having to deal with the morons below you and the morons who elected you and now think they own you
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Morons who elected you and now think they own you?
As opposed to the subservience to the billionaire "campaign contributors".
Keep up your idolization of the moron who started this whole mess
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I thought "I challenge you to read" was too much of a challenge for most people in Michigan.
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Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."


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[c] I agree in principal - Congress shouldn't be able to exempt itself from laws, something it does with some regularity.
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No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While Politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, andreceive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.
Members of Congress are not eligible for a pension until they reach the age of 50, but only if they've completed 20 years of service. Members are eligible at any age after completing 25 years of service or after they reach the age of 62. Please also note that Members of Congress have to serve at least 5 years to even receive a pension.

The amount of a congressperson's pension depends on the years of service and the average of the highest 3 years of his or her salary. By law, the starting amount of a Member's retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary.

According to the Congressional Research Service, 413 retired Members of Congress were receiving federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional service as of Oct. 1, 2006. Of this number, 290 had retired under CSRS and were receiving an average annual pension of $60,972. A total of 123 Members had retired with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only. Their average annual pension was $35,952 in 2006.


Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

If each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message.. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."

Variations: Some versions of this item include a statement asserting that the children and staffers of U.S. Congressmen are exempt from paying back student loan obligations. That statement is false.

Later versions of this item have been prefaced with the statement that "Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention."

Origins: The "proposed 28th Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution outlined above (sometimes circulated in modified form as the "Congressional Reform Act of 2011") suggests that all laws made by Congress applying to citizens of the United States apply equally to members of Congress themselves (a sentiment which is commonly expressed by critics of health reform efforts). Although this item could be said to have no real "true" or "false" quality to it (since it's just a hypothetical proposal), we're rating it "mostly false" because the supporting arguments it puts forward are all false, and the answers to common questions asked about it are all negative:

Is this [text] the actual 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?

No. The U.S. Constitution has only 27 amendments, the last of which (a limit on Congressional pay increases) was ratified in 1992.

Is this [text] really the proposed 28th Amendment?

This item is a "proposed 28th amendment" only in the very loose and simplistic sense that any change to the U.S. Constitution suggested since the ratification of the 27th Amendment is a "proposed 28th Amendment." However, this item is just a bit of Internet-based politicking, not something that has been introduced or proposed as a potential amendment by any current member of Congress. It's also rather unlikely that such a broadly worded amendment could pass muster; the underlying idea would necessarily require a good many qualifications.

Could this amendment be passed without Congress voting on it?

Yes and no. Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution specifies two procedures for amendments. One method is for two-thirds of states legislatures to call for a constitutional convention at which new amendments may be proposed, subject to ratification by three-fourths of the states. The constitutional convention method allows for the Constitution to be amended by the actions of states alone and cuts Congress out of the equation — no Congressional vote or approval is required. However, not once in the history of the United States have the states ever called a convention for the purpose of proposing new constitutional amendments.

The other method for amending the Constitution (the one employed with every amendment so far proposed or enacted) requires that the proposed amendment be approved by both houses of Congress (i.e., the Senate and the House of Representatives) by a two-thirds majority in each, and then ratified by three-fourths of the states. It's probably safe to speculate that the odds that a supermajority of both houses of Congress would pass an amendment which placed such restrictions upon them are very low indeed.

Can members of Congress retire with full pay after serving only a single term?

No. This is a long-standing erroneous rumor which we cover in a separate article.

Are members of Congress exempt from paying into Social Security?

No. As noted in our article about Congressional pensions, although Congress initially participated in the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) rather than Social Security, since 1984 all members of Congress have been required to pay into the Social Security fund.

Are members of Congress exempt from prosecution for sexual harassment?

No. The passage of Public Law 104-1 (the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995, also known as CAA) made a variety of laws related to civil rights and workplace regulations applicable to the legislative branch of the federal government. Section 201 of the CAA specifically prohibits sexual harassment (as well as harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin).

Did members of Congress try to exempt themselves from current health care reform legislation?

No. This claim was based on the erroneous assumption that congressional efforts to establish a "public option" for health insurance would have required everyone (except members of Congress) to participate in a new federal insurance plan. The proposed legislation would merely have required everyone (including members of Congress) to have health insurance that met minimum benefit standards, and to that end called for the creation of insurance exchanges which would offer health insurance plans to those who could not otherwise afford insurance plans meeting the minimum benefits criteria.

In fact, the final version of the health care reform legislation that was eventually passed in March 2010 stated that "Members of Congress and congressional staff" will only have access to plans that are created by the health care bill or offered through the exchanges established by the bill:
(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.

(i) REQUIREMENT — Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are:

(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or

(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).




35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

Closer on this one, 21 states are currently enjoined in suing the federal government over last year's health care reform overhaul. They claim it is unconstitutional for a number of reasons, including the infringement of states' rights. (The states will probably lose in this effort.) Not surprisingly, Obama's Justice Department is moving to crush the suit. The 21 states are: AZ, AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, GA, HI, ID, IN, KS, ME, MI, MO, MT, NH, NV, OK, PA, TX, and WA.
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