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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:14 PM   #21
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For something regarding an ordinance violation, 9 times out of 10, they will just issue a default judgement against you. I work in planning but without knowing the specifics of your case or Waterford Township, I'd wager to guess that the judgement included a nominal fine (anywhere from $50 to $500 per violation) and a court order to remedy the violations within 15 or 30 days.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:17 PM   #22
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i would have seen the asshole outside my place taking notes, and would have bitched him out then and not had a court date to worry about.
You aren't very bright are you... Good luck bitching out a compliance officer and getting out of anything.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:21 PM   #23
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you're going to get raped in jail.
First 24 to 48 hours is the most dangerous, just keep your ass clenched real tight with your back against the wall. That should help.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:21 PM   #24
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Ugh, why ask these questions on how to live basic adult life?

1) If you are going to miss a court date, what did the court say when you called them and explained that due to your job you could not make the date?

2) What Ordinances did you violate? Did you go to the TWP and get copies of the ordinance? Should be available.

3) Before you got a job which has you parking a semi in your driveway, what did your research turn up on the legality of that?
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:24 PM   #25
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Ugh, why ask these questions on how to live basic adult life?

1) If you are going to miss a court date, what did the court say when you called them and explained that due to your job you could not make the date?

2) What Ordinances did you violate? Did you go to the TWP and get copies of the ordinance? Should be available.

3) Before you got a job which has you parking a semi in your driveway, what did your research turn up on the legality of that?

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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:31 PM   #26
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Ugh, why ask these questions on how to live basic adult life?

1) If you are going to miss a court date, what did the court say when you called them and explained that due to your job you could not make the date?

2) What Ordinances did you violate? Did you go to the TWP and get copies of the ordinance? Should be available.

3) Before you got a job which has you parking a semi in your driveway, what did your research turn up on the legality of that?
1 You're SOL is basically what i was told by the clerk and that i have to contact the officer to arrange a new court date. well i left 2 messages and haven't received a call back yet

2 i don't have the paper in front of me. dumpster on right of way of street, commercial vehicle parked on residential property, vehicle parts/dismantling in a residential area is what my gf told me it said. she said the pictures they included showed the truck parked in my driveway, the dumpster located at the corner of my driveway, and my camaro with the hood up in the garage and all my parts on the floor of the garage, nothing was in the driveway at the time

3 before they redid the stupid website i read where it said 1 commercial vehicle was allowed on a residential property so long as there is a principal structure on the property as well. now i can't find it

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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #27
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I wouldn't want to look at a 2 yd dumpster sitting at the road every day either.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:36 PM   #28
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I wouldn't want to look at a 2 yd dumpster sitting at the road every day either.
where else am i supposed to put it? it's the only place where the dumpster truck can get to it.

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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:36 PM   #29
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Here's the Waterford Township zoning ordinance: http://www.twp.waterford.mi.us/Depar...rrent-pdf.aspx

Section 3-302 (which begins on page 103) details prohibited parking types on residential properties. Subsection 1, paragraph B is specifically about "Vehicle Storage" and begins near the top of page 104.

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Notwithstanding anything else in this Section to the contrary, the following vehicles, equipment, and any
associated attached apparatus are expressly prohibited from being stored anywhere on residential property
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(A) Commercial equipment.
(B) Commercial trailers.
(C) Intensive commercial vehicles.
This should cover both the parking of the rig and the long-term parking of a dumpster at a residential property.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #30
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where else am i supposed to put it? it's the only place where the dumpster truck can get to it.
Get one you can wheel out only on garbage day like 99% of homeowners do.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #32
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I wouldn't want to look at a 2 yd dumpster sitting at the road every day either.
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where else am i supposed to put it? it's the only place where the dumpster truck can get to it.
As a runner and cyclist, not to mention somebody who has to also drive on the public roads, get your dumpster out of the road. Talk about white trash! No wonder people call Waterford, "Watertucky."
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:41 PM   #33
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i see plenty of commercial vehicles parked at houses where obviously the person who owns the business lives. never see anything done to them about it....
That logic will not fly in court. There are plenty of robberies in Detroit each year that don't go investigated...

Besides, a commercial truck like a landscapers F250 and his trailer is a different category than a Peterbilt. Also, there is a separate section in that zoning ordinance that further prohibits the parking of commercial vehicles and equipment on residential property if the owner or leaseholder of the vehicle does not live there. Do you own the rig? Do you own the dumpster?
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:51 PM   #34
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To clarify intensive:

Intensive Commercial Vehicle. Vehicles manufactured with a GVWR of sixteen thousand and one (16,001)
pounds or more and/or a GCWR of sixteen thousand and one (16,001) pounds or more including a towed unit
with a GVWR of more than ten thousand (10,000) pounds, and designed or used primarily for transporting
goods, wares, or merchandise, transporting more than twelve (12) persons. This shall include, but not limited
to, buses, mobile structure trailers, pole trailers, semi-trailers, trailers, trucks, and truck-tractors as defined by
this Zoning Ordinance.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:54 PM   #35
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:57 PM   #36
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Old June 16th, 2011, 01:59 PM   #37
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No junked vehicles are allowed, nor anything outside the garage on jackstands for more than 48 hours.

You are allowed some commerical parking:

No more than two (2) personal commercial vehicles, when utilized on a regular (i.e., daily) basis as acondition of employment in a business that is located off-site or a lawful home occupation at their residential property, may be parked on residential property. Parking of such vehicles shall only be permitted when the vehicles are in good repair, properly licensed and registered, and operated by an occupant of the principal building on the property. Any parking of personal commercial vehicles that are used in conjunction with the Waterford Township operation of a business on a residential property that is prohibited by this Zoning Ordinance is also prohibited.

There's some grey area with that one on your situation. The passage that a previous poster references was for vehicle storange, not parking. There's a difference.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 02:00 PM   #38
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since you fuckers are always against me on everything i say. i'm willing to bet i could go to a bunch of your houses and find at least one ordinance violation...so non of you are perfect either.

no one really answered my original question. how fucking helpful
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Old June 16th, 2011, 02:01 PM   #39
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On the subject of the camaro in the garage:

Storage of personal vehicles and recreational vehicles in accessory buildings, side yards, rear yards, and upon driveways is permitted, subject to all of the following restrictions:
(A) The vehicle is operational and in good repair.
(C) The vehicle must be ownedby and licensed to a full-time occupant of the zoning lot upon which the vehicle will be stored.

Could be an issue there.
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Old June 16th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #40
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it's people like you that further push the Nazi mentality down the throats of the rest of us. Fucking government wants to control every little aspect of everyones lives, because they think they know whats good for us. well they don't.

the dumpster is not in the road. they call it an easement of whatever. it's right next to the mailbox between the pavement and my fence.
I work in planning at a municipal level. Most planners get told everyday that we have the Nazi mentality (luckily, I don't work with land use issues so I only hear it every other day). Your insults don't bother me... it's old hat and a badge of honor in this profession. Just because you don't agree with an ordinance doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you. Learn how to correctly navigate the system and you might not find yourself in these situations anymore.

Sure, parking your trash in your driveway or on the right-of-way might be convenient for you but what about other property owners in the neighborhood who have to look at your eyesore homestead everyday? What if they are selling their property? I bet that your trash in the road and rig in your driveway is doing wonders for their property values (not to mention your own).

It sounds like the dumpster is parked in the right-of-way which is just as illegal as parking across a sidewalk (if your neighborhood has sidewalks).
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