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Old June 10th, 2011, 08:56 AM   #1
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04 2500 cummins help

Helping a buddy diagnose a problem here, I'm not a diesel mechanic.

2004 dodge 2500 with cummins diesel, I have been told it is the "earlier" 04 engine. run mostly on bio diesel for many miles. at 120k about.

symptoms: oil out of tailpipe, runs terrible if at all.

dealer says there are 2 dead cylinders, caused by the k&n air filter. truck promptly removed from dealer before any more money was spent on their bad diagnosis.

turbo replaced by owner believing that was the cause. it was not. no changes.

I'm thinking head gasket, but what else could be the culprit here? Are there common failures? like I said I am not well versed in things diesel, or dodge for that matter.

thoughts?

fwiw, owner of truck already bought a f350 7.3 to replace this truck, but would like to fix it to sell.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #2
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dead cylinders will cause stated symptoms. K&N filters have been known to cause similar issues, the lack of filtration allows particles thru that eat cylinder walls/pistons/rings from abrasion.

turbo has nothing to do with lack of running.

checl fuel pressure pre and post injection pump. (takes specialized tools)

if in spec, compression check.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 06:16 AM   #3
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dead cylinders will cause stated symptoms. K&N filters have been known to cause similar issues, the lack of filtration allows particles thru that eat cylinder walls/pistons/rings from abrasion.

turbo has nothing to do with lack of running.

checl fuel pressure pre and post injection pump. (takes specialized tools)

if in spec, compression check.
Seriously? A well maintained k&n messing up a truck in less than 150,000 is difficult for me to believe. I could see if it was just left to disintegrate in there and got sucked through i guess, but it was well maintained.

is the fuel pressure tested with the standard schrader type, or are we talking a whole different deal with higher pressures than my normal pressure tester can handle?

also, how does a dead cylinder get oil out the exhaust? pressurized crankcase? I've had gas cars with a dead cyllinder and no oil shoots out of them.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 08:24 AM   #4
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Dead cylinder = seems like would be caused by either bad injector or broken/severely worn rings? K&N filters can cause this, does not seem probable, but it is possible.

Keep us posted, interested in what happens. Also post when he wants to sell it, I'd like to know more.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 12:33 PM   #5
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Dead cylinder = seems like would be caused by either bad injector or broken/severely worn rings? K&N filters can cause this, does not seem probable, but it is possible.

Keep us posted, interested in what happens. Also post when he wants to sell it, I'd like to know more.
I think he has it on CL right now. I told him to post it here too, but I have not seen it yet. its in Shelby TWP.

It would be very sad if the K&N actually caused this problem.
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Old June 13th, 2011, 02:26 PM   #6
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I think he has it on CL right now. I told him to post it here too, but I have not seen it yet. its in Shelby TWP.

It would be very sad if the K&N actually caused this problem.
Must be this one = http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/2395608240.html

To high for me, seeing how it probably needs a motor.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 08:18 AM   #7
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must be this one = http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/2395608240.html

to high for me, seeing how it probably needs a motor.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #8
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Must be this one = http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/2395608240.html

To high for me, seeing how it probably needs a motor.
That truck is not worth a penny more than a gas truck with a blown motor. Why do idiots think a cummins name plate is worth its weight in gold?
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Old June 15th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #9
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because there idiots. i think its funny personally.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 12:34 PM   #10
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because there idiots. i think its funny personally.
I agree.

I mean that truck, with a blown motor, is worth like $4500 tops in my book.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #11
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but it says cummins on the side and cummins never break
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They should be worth less broken then the gas ones since its triple the cash to fix em.
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