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Old September 13th, 2006, 12:18 PM   #21
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uniform codes are something I'm a bit against. for the most part I see the strict regimen of school uniforms, prescribed homework amounts, and very strict school rules as a sort of pressure cooker for kids. While it does provide some good for some kids, i don't think it should be rammed down the throats of the general public regardless of the school district's idiosyncracies. High school for one thing is the time when a kid really needs to be able to explore to find out where they want life to take them. You never know if school uniforms may crush the future fashion designers of the world?
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Old September 13th, 2006, 12:22 PM   #22
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Im all for school uniforms, not because of dress code violations but because it would cut down on the teasing and what not of the kids whos parents dont have the money to buy the 300 dollar pair of shoes or the 150 dollar pair of jeans. Some people say it takes away from a childs creativity, if thats the only way your child can be creative than theres something wrong.
thats just my opinion....

Have you priced school uniforms lately? but I get your point.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 12:36 PM   #23
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Expression hasn't changed since the inseption of mankind. Sluts? Well, the opinion varies. In My mother's time I'm sure if she exposed her knees witha skirt that she would be thought of as an era equivelent slut. My point is, what kids wear these days is no more liberal than what kids in the past wore compared to their parents views. Its the same cyclical fashion trend.


granted maybe showing exprssion hasn't changed, but what is allowed to be shown has changed conciderably. just a couple month's back you guys were all debating on the sexual assualt case that happened at an elementary school, and how 6th graders were having intercourse. who's to blame? mainly parents. we have been a society were everything gets easier year by year. either through technology or science. too many people rely on the easy way out. most younger parents of today, didn't really want a kid. they just wanted what produces a kid. now they are stuck relying on other people to help raise their kids. the school, the state, TV, and computer games. that is what is raising our kids of today.

don't get me wrong there are some very good parents, but as time keeps ticking the good parents are falling behind.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:14 PM   #24
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Oh, I agree with you there. The issue I have is public schools are not the people to be empowered to make such major restrictions. Wanna wear a skirt so short your asscheeks hang out? Fine by me, but maybe not fine by the local indecent exposure laws. Where's the parent on that one? I'm all for the police being called in that regard to get the parent to wake up. Expelling a kid though over it though is a bit extreme I think.

Let's take the hiphugger jeans exposing the thong top as an example. Aside from anything else I myself wouldn't have that big of a deal with it and it really isn't violating decency standards. As a parent I'm not sure if I'd let my kid go out in public that way regardless if its school or anything else. I don't however think a public school district should have the authority to not allowit without perhaps holding an open meeting/vote by parents in the district.


Fashion has a tough time defending itself under the first ammendment I think. Yes its expression, but its not per say the persons expression.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:28 PM   #25
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Let's take the hiphugger jeans exposing the thong top as an example. Aside from anything else I myself wouldn't have that big of a deal with it and it really isn't violating decency standards. As a parent I'm not sure if I'd let my kid go out in public that way regardless if its school or anything else.
Don't you have a son? I wish my parent's were as laid back as you; my thongs had to stay inside my jeans.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:35 PM   #26
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Don't you have a son? I wish my parent's were as laid back as you; my thongs had to stay inside my jeans.

Yes, I have a son. But we're working on a daughter
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:43 PM   #27
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What about the fact that some of what the kids could wear would distract the rest of the class? If a girl comes in showing boobs and partial ass then the rest of the students would be distracted. That is one issue I have with a lack of dress code.
My second issue is that these same kids arent going to be allowed to be creative when they get a real job. School is supposed to prepare kids for adult life. This gets back to my boundries issue.
Finally, what about the morality. Why do you think like 50% of teens have the HPV virus? I know 50% of the teens in my generation didnt carry around STDs that are incurable. It's not the schools job to teach morality, but it is the school's responsibility to ensure a decent environment for all students. There are many parents who wouldnt want their kids to be in a school where the dress code was lax.
Hell whats next.. lets just not stop the kids from doing drugs or wearing their gang signs.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:50 PM   #28
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I am waiting for CMU's thoughts. I can't believe i am looking forward to a liberal view to compare to.
I believe LP is dead right. I believe that the reason this world is so is so messed up is due to the lack of responsiblity.

There was a rule and they broke it. If it was a first offense then maybe a warning but since they already broke the rules in the past the suspension was legit. There actions leads me to believe that they are just trouble makers and broke the rules on 9/11 because they knew it would draw more attention.

Accountablity is what should be preached!!

Edit: I'm also from Downriver (wyandotte) and know a little bit about the LP situation. If you remember back they had a problem with the Wicka Girls and there pendents and that is why they now have a dress code in order to hopefully help the kids concentrate on LEARNING in stead of making a fashion statment, political statement, or religious statement.


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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:51 PM   #29
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I believe LP is dead right. I believe that the reason this world is so is so messed up is due to the lack of responsiblity.

There was a rule and they broke it. If it was a first offense then maybe a warning but since they already broke the rules in the past the suspension was legit. There actions leads me to believe that they are just trouble makers and broke the rules on 9/11 because they knew it would draw more attention.

Accountablity is what should be preached!!
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:53 PM   #30
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What about the fact that some of what the kids could wear would distract the rest of the class? If a girl comes in showing boobs and partial ass then the rest of the students would be distracted. That is one issue I have with a lack of dress code.
My second issue is that these same kids arent going to be allowed to be creative when they get a real job. School is supposed to prepare kids for adult life. This gets back to my boundries issue.
Finally, what about the morality. Why do you think like 50% of teens have the HPV virus? I know 50% of the teens in my generation didnt carry around STDs that are incurable. It's not the schools job to teach morality, but it is the school's responsibility to ensure a decent environment for all students. There are many parents who wouldnt want their kids to be in a school where the dress code was lax.
Hell whats next.. lets just not stop the kids from doing drugs or wearing their gang signs.

50% of teens have HPV eh? no creativity in the workplace eh? There are just as many parents that think that their kids should be allowed to wear patriotic shirts, colors, bare midrif's, etc... too


Morality? Your morality aint your neighbor's morality. And it aint the schools responsibility to enforce morality. You want strict dress codes and school teaching morality, then send your damn kids to private school or homeschool them. Don't force the rest of the public to live by your standards.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 01:55 PM   #31
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This is a little off the subject... but I have a 9yr old daughter... WTF is up with the Mary-Kate and Ashley clothes on sale at WalMart (I think). She wants these clothes, her friends are wearing them... but judas priest they're hooker attire! I'll be damned if corporate america is going to dictate my daughter's moral values; that's my job.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 02:05 PM   #32
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50% of teens have HPV eh? no creativity in the workplace eh? There are just as many parents that think that their kids should be allowed to wear patriotic shirts, colors, bare midrif's, etc... too


Morality? Your morality aint your neighbor's morality. And it aint the schools responsibility to enforce morality. You want strict dress codes and school teaching morality, then send your damn kids to private school or homeschool them. Don't force the rest of the public to live by your standards.
There are certain things that reasonable people can agree on moral. And in addition to that, if the majority of the people agree on it, then it should be enforced.
I am not asking that they wear full length skirts, long pants, long sleeve button up shirts, or head covers. I am just saying that when a child is in school they should meet a reasonable dress code standard.
Also it is a given that our children will not be taught in a secular setting. I wouldnt want someone teaching my children things that we dont believe in. We want them to grow up with our values. Unfortunately, there are a lot of decent people who dont have the financial ability to make the same decision.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 02:09 PM   #33
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There are certain things that reasonable people can agree on moral. And in addition to that, if the majority of the people agree on it, then it should be enforced.
I am not asking that they wear full length skirts, long pants, long sleeve button up shirts, or head covers. I am just saying that when a child is in school they should meet a reasonable dress code standard.
Also it is a given that our children will not be taught in a secular setting. I wouldnt want someone teaching my children things that we dont believe in. We want them to grow up with our values. Unfortunately, there are a lot of decent people who dont have the financial ability to make the same decision.

That's why I think if a school district is going to go above and beyond what the local statutes dictate then it should be up to a vote by parents in an open board meeting. And no, I don't think an elected school board should be able to independantly enact district laws such as dress codes or anything else that is for lack of a better word, debatable morality. A community as a whole needs to work on such rules and limitations.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #34
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A community as a whole needs to work on such rules and limitations.
But it doesn't

We are grown up enough to know that how some kids dress influence the way others do. Easiest way to avoid that is to keep shit like that out of the schools.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 02:31 PM   #35
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how frustrating in almost any aspect...

the kids could have come up with some pretty crative and respective ways to express thier patriatism that would not have broke the dress code

but at the same time, whats with the dress codes becoming more and more restricted... be reasonable (so much easier said then done, I know...)

thank goodness I am an adult...
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Old September 13th, 2006, 02:36 PM   #36
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http://www.spsd.net/news/studentappearance.html

Here is the link to the dress code at the local public schools and I dont have an issue with it, but when kids cant even follow simple rules such as no hoodies, hats or shirts with words than perhaps they should have to wear uniforms that was all i was getting at.
I understand they are expensive but perhaps parents should think about it when they watch their child leave the house dressed for halloween insted of school.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 04:34 PM   #37
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Granted they broke the rules and it wasn't their first offense, but I'm willing to bet you if they were wearing printed t-shirts celebrating some Muslim holiday, they wouldn't have been punished.

Maybe I'm wrong but just think of what happened when 9/11 occurred. A bunch of Middle Eastern kids were outside CHEERING. They weren't punished. You can get in trouble for saying a prayer if you're Christian, but not if you're another "minority" religion. Not trying to get off-topic, but Goddamnit am I sick of the double standard bullshit with race and religion.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 08:19 PM   #38
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What about the fact that some of what the kids could wear would distract the rest of the class? If a girl comes in showing boobs and partial ass then the rest of the students would be distracted. That is one issue I have with a lack of dress code.
I got news for you, a high school aged guy doesnt need to see boobs or ass hanging out to be distracted by a pretty woman...hell....he doesn't even actually need to SEE a pretty woman
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oh, and those kids, They were simply pushing buttons because they knew it would be a soft subject. The shirts they were weren't worn for patriotism. They were worn to put the administration in an awkward position and spark conversations like this when they get supsended.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 08:32 PM   #40
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What if a girl came to school like this and claimed she's being patriotic?
I'd salute her...
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