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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:37 AM   #1
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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:46 AM   #2
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Appears the school already had a rule of no printed shirts right?

So they broke the rules.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:48 AM   #3
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Good one CC. Way to post like CMU.

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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:50 AM   #4
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Honestly, I read it as they were suspended for breaking the rules. In the article it said that they had asked previously if they could wear the shirts and were told no.
Dont you think the president of the company would have asked me to go home and change if I came into the office wearing any sort of tshirt (patriotic or not) on 9/11? I also would have sent anyone in my group home for wearing a tshirt on a business casual day.
The school didnt say to the children that they couldnt show their creativity or be patriotic in general. If the students wanted to show their feelings they should have worked with the officials to find a way to do so that was within the rules.
School should be teaching children to function in the real world and career world. When you leave school your job will most likely have some sort of a dress code. Kids need to learn boundrys and not be pandered to. Kids today think they have a right to everything and anything.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:51 AM   #5
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Well, I'm not sure what to think.

They did break the rules, but certain items should be allowed.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 11:00 AM   #6
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Dress codes are such a sore spot to figure out. The problem is that they are needed at all. I, for one, would have had the living hell knocked out of me for wearing a shirt with profanity or disrespectful writing or pictures on it. No matter if it was to school or not. Parent's aren't doing their job, so the school has to step in and make dress codes, etc.

Rules are rules and you have to be draconian about it. The only part I don't agree with is that they are allowed to wear school logo attire. That sounds like a money making scheme and they should discontinue it. All or nothing.

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If you allowed the rules to be bent then they will be broken or challenged time and time again.

Where do you draw the line. Thats the problem.
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Well, I'm not sure what to think.

They did break the rules, but certain items should be allowed.
The only problem I have with this, is... where does it end? If they allow one thing, then they have to allow another... and who's opinion is going to judge what is allowed and what is not? Then that person's accused of imposing their morals on someone else's child... yada, yada, yada.

I think they made the right decision on this... although it's nice to see kids being patriotic I think there was an underlying plot here. This kid was sent home earlier in the year for breaking the rule and I think he was testing the school to see what he can get away with.

What if a girl came to school like this and claimed she's being patriotic?

Certainly NOT appropriate for school, but patriotic non-the-less. Point being there HAS to be limits set for ALL or it becomes a judgement call and people can always contest someone else's judgement.

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Dress codes are such a sore spot to figure out. The problem is that they are needed at all. I, for one, would have had the living hell knocked out of me for wearing a shirt with profanity or disrespectful writing or pictures on it. No matter if it was to school or not. Parent's aren't doing their job, so the school has to step in and make dress codes, etc.
I absolutely agree. When I was in school skirts had to be no shorter than 3 inches above the knee. I dont know how many girls got sent home for violating that rule. I would have never even made it out of the house with a skirt that would have violated the rules. My mom was always very strict with my clothes. Nowadays I see girls of all ages wearing skirts that barely come down past their butt cheeks. A lot of parents dont set rules with their kids to keep them modest or school appropriate.
I remember when I was in high school we also were not allowed to wear tank tops, midriff shirts, or flip flops. We followed the rules. What has changed?
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Old September 13th, 2006, 11:11 AM   #11
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I really don't think they were being patriotic. Especially since it was not their first offense. I agree with kerryann they need to learn boundries and rules. Alot of kids nowdays do not get that at home so they do not respect it when others try to enforce the rules.
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I am waiting for CMU's thoughts. I can't believe i am looking forward to a liberal view to compare to.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 11:21 AM   #13
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One problem here is the school's code is too extreme. As a public school system, the "content" of clothing should be no less restrictive than what you can wear legally in public. Profanity believe it or not can get you a ticket by police if worn in public. Same with graphics.

As it stands, the kids new the law and broke it and thus are punished for breaking it. That has to happen or the laws have no purpose if the punishment isn't enforced.

Expulsion? This I think is an area the district needs to clarify better. Being suspended 3 times for inappropriate dress shouldn't get you expelled. The punishment doesn't fit the crime in this case.

As for what you wore back in the day. Wake the fukc up. People have become PC prudes these days and you can't bare your ankles without getting into trouble. We may as fucking well be islamic.
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As for what you wore back in the day. Wake the fukc up. People have become PC prudes these days and you can't bare your ankles without getting into trouble. We may as fucking well be islamic.

I 100% disagree. I had a kid in high school two years ago. I saw kids at the school wearing crap that I would have never allowed. Girls wear midriff baring shirts, and super short skirts.
Parents today are extremely lax. I was raised southern baptist, so I always had to be modestly dressed growing up. I am more to the extreme end of the spectrum, but I can tell you my secular friends didnt dress the way these kids dress today.
I mean its crazy that skirts come down just past the ass cheeks, and thongs and ass cracks are sticking out.
You can be certian that our kids wont dress like that, even if we have to home school them like I ended up doing with Kelly.
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One problem here is the school's code is too extreme. As a public school system, the "content" of clothing should be no less restrictive than what you can wear legally in public. Profanity believe it or not can get you a ticket by police if worn in public. Same with graphics.

As it stands, the kids new the law and broke it and thus are punished for breaking it. That has to happen or the laws have no purpose if the punishment isn't enforced.

Expulsion? This I think is an area the district needs to clarify better. Being suspended 3 times for inappropriate dress shouldn't get you expelled. The punishment doesn't fit the crime in this case.

As for what you wore back in the day. Wake the fukc up. People have become PC prudes these days and you can't bare your ankles without getting into trouble. We may as fucking well be islamic.
HUH?

Dude, look at the other side. Have you seen the way 10, 12, 14 year olds dress these days? Like sluts.

Kids need to concentrate on school, not on looks.

I could care less how strict the schools are, it is likely they won't be as strict as I will be as a parent when it comes to that.

Express yourself outside of school. Schools are also looking out for themselves. These days who knows what will offend someone else. People are so fucking suit happy that you have to look out for #1.
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While I applaud the non-violent protest (tshirts with the 1st Ammendmant printed on them), it was out of dress code. As were the patriotic shirts. While I think imposing any kind of dress code in a public school system is stupid, it is there, and must be followed.

As for the need for a dress code, well, I can see where you guys are coming from in that respect. Too many people want to wear clothes that are inappropriate, and parents are not willing slap them upside the face and rectify the situation. I never wore anything my parents disagreed with, because there was no point. If I tried, I received a "What the hell were you thinking?", and was sent to change. Parents need to step up, and be parents.
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Okay, yes I'm posting to this thread a lot. But I'm out here on the edge of the empire protecting that 1st Amendment and figure I'm entitled. I'll settle down in a few minutes but wanted to express my thoughts that came to mind as I read this post. I agree and disagree with some of it, and it gave me an idea or two.

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the "content" of clothing should be no less restrictive than what you can wear legally in public.
I'll buy that. Seems reasonable, and there is already a public law regarding it, although I'd like to get a look at that law to see if it's up to someone's opinion or not.

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... has to happen or the laws have no purpose if the punishment isn't enforced.
If I understand you correctly, the school did as it should, just don't agree with the rule to begin with. I can back that up too.

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The punishment doesn't fit the crime in this case.
I think that the school's have limited outlets for punishments on students, and simply send the kids home for the parent's to deal with, which isn't happening because it's obviously somone else's fault because their little angel is god's gift to earth. It's a viscious cycle. I'd detain the kid in the office, call the cops for breaking the law (not the school rule as it currently stands, I'm talking about the public law mentioned earlier) and get the kid a nice fine for public indecency and then I'll bet the parents stand up and take notice once it hits their wallet. This however takes up school staff's time and effort when expulsion may not solve anything, it's easier for the school. So it would seem everyone is taking the easy way out.

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We may as fucking well be islamic.
I wouldn't go that far, but I get your point.
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HUH?

Dude, look at the other side. Have you seen the way 10, 12, 14 year olds dress these days? Like sluts.

Kids need to concentrate on school, not on looks.

I could care less how strict the schools are, it is likely they won't be as strict as I will be as a parent when it comes to that.

Express yourself outside of school. Schools are also looking out for themselves. These days who knows what will offend someone else. People are so fucking suit happy that you have to look out for #1.

Expression hasn't changed since the inseption of mankind. Sluts? Well, the opinion varies. In My mother's time I'm sure if she exposed her knees witha skirt that she would be thought of as an era equivelent slut. My point is, what kids wear these days is no more liberal than what kids in the past wore compared to their parents views. Its the same cyclical fashion trend.
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I 100% disagree. I had a kid in high school two years ago. I saw kids at the school wearing crap that I would have never allowed. Girls wear midriff baring shirts, and super short skirts.
Parents today are extremely lax. I was raised southern baptist, so I always had to be modestly dressed growing up. I am more to the extreme end of the spectrum, but I can tell you my secular friends didnt dress the way these kids dress today.
I mean its crazy that skirts come down just past the ass cheeks, and thongs and ass cracks are sticking out.
You can be certian that our kids wont dress like that, even if we have to home school them like I ended up doing with Kelly.

Kids weill always find a way to go to the extremes. In my day, most of the cheerleaders at my school didn't wear bloomers or panties under their cheerleading outfits, and those wear knee length school purchased uniforms. The fact remains, in a public school system the school district shouldn't have the power to restrict clothing choices beyond what the police and city ordinances enforce.
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Im all for school uniforms, not because of dress code violations but because it would cut down on the teasing and what not of the kids whos parents dont have the money to buy the 300 dollar pair of shoes or the 150 dollar pair of jeans. Some people say it takes away from a childs creativity, if thats the only way your child can be creative than theres something wrong.
thats just my opinion....
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