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Old June 6th, 2011, 10:58 AM   #21
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Michigan's natural resources are a "Cash Cow". They know it, and they're not above exploiting it, removing, or using it to benifit their own pocket books. They have the power to control our public lands, that have the resources on it, and right now they are telling the Michigan Public to "Bite It".
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I'm sorry to say your probably correct. they are very short sighted from what I have seen, the majority of DNR have always been the power hungry types that want to control people on many levels. its all about CONTROL!
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I disagree. I think it is all about MONEY. If they take away enough services that people are inconvenienced, they'll vote for higher taxes.
I have to go with option #1 as the primary. The attitude of many DNR folks is that the forest is "theirs" and they have to protect it from "us". Not that the money doesn't play a big part..........
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O. So a vehicle, most likely a 2011 Chevy p/u HD V8, drove out to the camp, fuel, time, paperwork.
I feel safe to say this investigation will cost the state $2,021,788.69 all in all. Now they have to buy a dozer, dump truck, ditch witch, barbed wire, silt fencing, and cut down trees to berm the entrance. Buy a new master key lock and have a union master carpender install it.
Also to pay a engineer to do a field engineering report for drainage issues caused by the berm and erosion issues, do a study on cockspamezzl bird because now its endangered all now because john doe cut the grass with a toro push with out a permit.
..........and it probably didn't have a legal spark arrestor on it either.
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It is hard to clear cut the timber when those pesky campers are in the way...
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Old June 6th, 2011, 01:16 PM   #25
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It is hard to clear cut the timber when those pesky campers are in the way...
That makes me think about Drummond Island.

They bitch about the little ruts and what not that Jeeps make. Yet if you come across some of the logging trails and "roads" you get to see the beautiful expanses of clear cutting that is hidden from most people's sight. Oh, but to get to these you have to traverse the huge ruts their trucks have dug you better be locked and on 40's...
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Old June 6th, 2011, 01:18 PM   #26
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It is hard to clear cut the timber when those pesky campers are in the way...
money talks. you work in the nat gas industry, do you know how much the state charges for all the permits you need to drill a well?
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Old June 6th, 2011, 01:44 PM   #27
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money talks. you work in the nat gas industry, do you know how much the state charges for all the permits you need to drill a well?
Oil and Gas Wells:
Permit fee is $300 for all Part 615 wells.

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Waste Disposal Wells = $2,500
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1-24 wells = $75
24-49 wells = $150
50-74 wells = $300
75-200 wells = $600

Bonds starting at $10,000 are also required and increase with the depth of the well. Royalty payments on any amount extracted are also required if the well is on state land.
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money talks. you work in the nat gas industry, do you know how much the state charges for all the permits you need to drill a well?
No clue. I'm on the electric side of the industry. I just watch nat gas prices as that is what drive electricity prices.
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Old June 6th, 2011, 01:48 PM   #29
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We all paid for a failed system.

But on a side note: A few Clubs out west took a Close park on re- opened it. but they went thought the state to get it...

They have to do the Clean ups and ect.. to keep the park open.

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Old June 6th, 2011, 01:51 PM   #30
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No clue. I'm on the electric side of the industry. I just watch nat gas prices as that is what drive electricity prices.
Its way more than what homerdong posted.
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I have to go with option #1 as the primary. The attitude of many DNR folks is that the forest is "theirs" and they have to protect it from "us". Not that the money doesn't play a big part..........
Thanks, I have to say after doing the ORV advisory board meetings for a couple years I gave up going. the reason being is they had their agenda and that's all they had. they couldn't give a rat's ass about what anyone had to say. OUR pal John aka One Man Banned. was a very out spoken proponent of them being out front on the table with what they had on their plate. the biggest thing I saw when going regular they had all practiced excuse and a bunch of made up crap to mollify anyone with questions.

If the DNR wanted to make things right they could and would do it. they refuse because they have such a hate of all things beside foot traffic in their forests. they could make this state or break it and they are well on their way to breaking it.

I know they read this site so I will ask this. when everyone is gone and the state is broke who will pay to keep you employed here?
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I'm betting it was just a couple guys shootin g a low budget remake of 'Brokeback Moun tain'.
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Old June 6th, 2011, 05:32 PM   #34
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No, they wouldn't have opened the restrooms if that was the case.
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Old June 6th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #35
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The West Branch State Forest Campground, situated along the West Branch of the Escanaba River, was among a dozen of the rustic campgrounds closed by the DNR in 2009, including six in the Upper Peninsula, because of budget shortfalls.

The campground had no campers Saturday morning and no signs had been posted indicating the campground was closed.


The West Branch State Forest Campground is not one of 15 slated for closure in the U.P. but expected to remain open this summer under a decision by the DNR expected Thursday.
Nope, can't imagine why anyone would be confused at all.
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Old June 6th, 2011, 06:31 PM   #36
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HAHAHA, gotta love michigan. If they shut down the cheap rustic parks then people will stay at the 27 dollar a night campgrounds, right? Why dont they take some of the million people who are on unemployment and have them take care of the parks? they are already on the state payroll.
ZOMG!!!!!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!!

A post from steveo, about how shitty michigan is, with NO reference to Wyoming??? Unbelievable! Also unbelievable that no one can support the decision by the DNR! C'mon, all their decisions have valid reasoning and research behind them! Give em a break....

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O. So a vehicle, most likely a 2011 Chevy p/u HD V8, drove out to the camp, fuel, time, paperwork.
I feel safe to say this investigation will cost the state $2,021,788.69 all in all. Now they have to buy a dozer, dump truck, ditch witch, barbed wire, silt fencing, and cut down trees to berm the entrance. Buy a new master key lock and have a union master carpender install it.
Also to pay a engineer to do a field engineering report for drainage issues caused by the berm and erosion issues, do a study on cockspamezzl bird because now its endangered all now because john doe cut the grass with a toro push with out a permit.
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the dnr would pay extra for limes for their lemonade stand.

just murder the forest at these campgrounds then nobody will stay there!
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Old June 6th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #40
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Thanks, I have to say after doing the ORV advisory board meetings for a couple years I gave up going. the reason being is they had their agenda and that's all they had. they couldn't give a rat's ass about what anyone had to say. OUR pal John aka One Man Banned. was a very out spoken proponent of them being out front on the table with what they had on their plate. the biggest thing I saw when going regular they had all practiced excuse and a bunch of made up crap to mollify anyone with questions.
The same reason why I hate going to meetings that the dnr have here locally...
They have their professionals and about 1000 different "scientific" responses to shoot down anything that anyone says against what ever it is they are doing
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