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Old May 26th, 2011, 12:36 PM   #161
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Old May 26th, 2011, 12:38 PM   #162
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:19 PM   #163
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You did a "yank" pull with chain???
At least someone here is getting the concept of the chain. It worked, I'm still here for your entertainment. Next step is for someone to bring their XJ down here so I can yank it in half with my shit welded, homemade, farmer bumper.

For the rest of you who can't figure out your retarded here's the response I left over there. Prove it wrong jackholes.







Did you guys drop out of school in the third grade or something? They have this thing called physics. Your local community college probably offers a class in it so do the world a favor and check it out.

So you retards are telling me that the shock load of that 10' chain instantly snapping tight at a 90 degree angle is less force then a tow strap and a mud hole? Do yourselves a favor and get the fukc out of my thread before your mommy catches you on the computer.

Let's establish a new set of rules for my thread:

1. No one from MI can post unless your junk makes 500hp or more.
2. If you live in a trailer stay the fukc out.
3. You must have been to college to post in here.

It's not my fault that some of you need 1" thick material to make up for your lack of engineering. Ever wonder why drag cars can wreck at 200+mph with .063 tubing but your junk ass shit needs .250 wall to survive a 5mph rollover? Go the fukc back to school.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:38 PM   #164
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Let's establish a new set of rules for my thread:

1. No one from MI can post unless your junk makes 500hp or more.
2. If you live in a trailer stay the fukc out.
3. You must have been to college to post in here.

It's not my fault that some of you need 1" thick material to make up for your lack of engineering. Ever wonder why drag cars can wreck at 200+mph with .063 tubing but your junk ass shit needs .250 wall to survive a 5mph rollover? Go the fukc back to school.
you don't get to make the rules here, the site owner/mod does - and some have posted in this thread. one upped your bet offer to $1,500 earlier...

the physics you suddenly want to speak about were brought up by several professional engineers and experienced fabricators.

and yes, most of us do in fact think based on some rough math that the shock load in the video of that CAT dragging your junk across a slick parking lot is substantially less than that of jerking a buried 7,000lb heap of junk out of a 3' deep mud hole.

as I said, I would have rather seen you reverse the video, and see you try to jerk the Cat from the Ford's seat.

In the future I guess I'll stick to buying from JCR, Pat (ironman) or koz - since I admit to not being able to weld, and the cost-benefit analysis for me is simply not there to learn and acquire the equipment.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #165
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I will make you a deal.. Send me a bumper, I will mount it to my Jeep the same way it would be mounted to a truck..

I will take it offroading (because you seem to think a gravel driveway is wheeling) and send it back battered and bruised. And some nice bent mounting hardware and you can revise your design...

No I will not waste my gas to get it because it is YOUR product and I am willing to test on my vehicle.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:41 PM   #166
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you don't get to make the rules here, the site owner/mod does - and some have posted in this thread. one upped your bet offer to $1,500 earlier...

the physics you suddenly want to speak about were brought up by several professional engineers and experienced fabricators.

and yes, most of us do in fact think based on some rough math that the shock load in the video of that CAT dragging your junk across a slick parking lot is substantially less than that of jerking a buried 7,000lb heap of junk out of a 3' deep mud hole.

as I said, I would have rather seen you reverse the video, and see you try to jerk the Cat from the Ford's seat.

In the future I guess I'll stick to buying from JCR, Pat (ironman) or koz - since I admit to not being able to weld, and the cost-benefit analysis for me is simply not there to learn and acquire the equipment.
Your post proves nothing other then the fact that you can run your mouth just like everyone else here.

On top of that if you don't like me being here BAN ME THEN. It's not that hard to see that even after 9 pages and video proof that some of you here can't accept the fact that you were wrong. Like I stated earlier, I would have posted the video regardless of how it turned out because I'm a man and can admitt when I'm wrong. Could it probably use another brace? yeas, and that was adressed on the other site. Does it work as is? YES, I proved that. Are you a shit talking sheep? Yes, you follow what everyone else says just to fit in.

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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #167
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At least someone here is getting the concept of the chain...
I was trying to highlight your stupidity of trying a jerk style pull with a chain that should have been done with a snatch strap. If your truck was actaully stuck (had some force on it) there would be a good chance of breaking the chain.


Here is an example of the forces that come to play when we take a vehicle that is stuck in a recovery situation:



SURFACE RESISTANCE:
A pull of 1/10 LW will cause a free wheeling
truck">truck
to move on a hard, level surface.
A pull of 1/3 LW will cause a free wheeling truck to move on a softer surface, such as grass or gravel
DAMAGE RESISTANCE:
A pull of 2/3 LW will be required to move if the wheels cannot rotate (as if the brakes were fully applied), the pull required to overcome the resistance (drag) the truck id 2/3 or 67% of the LW. Damage resistance includes surface resistance (i.e. you only use one or the other)

STUCK RESISTANCE:
A pull of 100% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to a depth of the sidewall on the tires.
A pull of 200% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to the hubs.
A pull of 300% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to the frame.
Mire resistance includes damage resistance (i.e. you only use one or the other)


GRADE (SLOPE) RESISTANCE:
Upgrade (vehicle has to be recovered up a slope or grade)
15 degrees - add 25% of LW
30 degrees - add 50% of LW
45 degrees - add 75% of LW
Vehicle recovery on level ground - no correction
Downgrade (vehicle has to be recovered down a slope or grade)
15 degrees - subtract 25% of LW
30 degrees - subtract 50% of LW
45 degrees - subtract 75% of LW


(Quoted from:
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My comments are here as I don't want to see someone get hurt. If the tow points were used in a recovery situation, there is a higher chance of failure with your current design.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #168
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:43 PM   #169
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Your post proves nothing other then the fact that you can run your mouth just like everyone else here.
you fit right in. your post(s) and video prove nothing other than you are entertained by people posting in your thread.

edit to address your edit:

I don't care if you're here or not, and it's not up to me to ban. Generally this place is laid back enough to tolerate a shiton of abuse and moronic posting.

regardless, lol at the fit-in bullshit comment. if I wanted to fit in, when I sold my Jeep I would not have bought a series of convertible sports/sporty cars, I'd have bought a go-fast boat, that's what all the cool kids do these days.

while I am not an engineer, all 3 of my younger brothers are engineers; and I did start down that path at Lawrence Tech so I have at least some understanding of what goes into engineering a system. in that light, I also respect the opinions of the majority of folks I was agreeing with here, because I have read/seen their work over the past 6 or so years here, and 3 or 4 more on the predecessor of this site.

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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:48 PM   #170
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An "impulse" of force applied where traction is the limiting factor is less than the scenario others pointed out earlier: stuck in mud where the "yank" stops the recovery vehicle cold as soon as the slack/stretch is gone.

You may not want to call people out on physics here, as some people might choose to beat you about the head and shoulders with it.

But since you mention it, the force applied in your video can be no more than what is needed to overcome the normal force of your truck's weight applied to the tires, while sitting on a gravel surface.
This is much less than a scenario where the mud not only provides a much higher resistance, but you also have the added mass of the mud to consider moving during a recovery. Not to mention that every flat surface you will try to pull out of the mud will be subjected to a vacuum (hence, trying to pull even more mass along for the ride, increasing the net load of the recovery).

BTW, I do not believe the rollcage of a drag car is made out of 0.063 wall tubing, but that's another discussion entirely.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:53 PM   #171
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I will make you a deal.. Send me a bumper, I will mount it to my Jeep the same way it would be mounted to a truck..

I will take it offroading (because you seem to think a gravel driveway is wheeling) and send it back battered and bruised. And some nice bent mounting hardware and you can revise your design...

No I will not waste my gas to get it because it is YOUR product and I am willing to test on my vehicle.
I already offered to pay you to come yank it off. Stop trying to save face. Your wrong and that's all there is to it. Send me $299 plus shipping and some measurements and I'll be happy to get you one out ASAP. If you bend it or break it and don't tweak your 1/4" frame rails first I'll build you a new one and brace it accordingly and send it out to you for no charge. I showed a product and tested said product. Now will one of you badass engineers tell me what advantage there would be to installing 1' thick brackets onto a 1/4" thick framerail? I would rather have the bumper come off the tweak my framerail but that's just me I guess.

I'm pretty well done arguing with you about MY bumper. It works and I proved it. All the rest of you have done is run your mouths. Don't worry though I'll be sure to follow you around and heckle you too since this shit is funny as hell.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:58 PM   #172
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i think that YOU as the manufacturer should drive to Michigan to give a demonstration. bfGoodrich does not say come here and look at my product does it? no they put it in baja and other events to prove that it can stand up. you keep walking around the fact that you pulled a truck on what a 16" wide tire? across a gravel driveway big fucking deal. go bury that truck in mud say 3 feet of mud. then go ahead and try and recover it and post results. but since you have avoided it before i dont see it happening now.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 02:00 PM   #173
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An "impulse" of force applied where traction is the limiting factor is less than the scenario others pointed out earlier: stuck in mud where the "yank" stops the recovery vehicle cold as soon as the slack/stretch is gone.

You may not want to call people out on physics here, as some people might choose to beat you about the head and shoulders with it.

But since you mention it, the force applied in your video can be no more than what is needed to overcome the normal force of your truck's weight applied to the tires, while sitting on a gravel surface.
This is much less than a scenario where the mud not only provides a much higher resistance, but you also have the added mass of the mud to consider moving during a recovery. Not to mention that every flat surface you will try to pull out of the mud will be subjected to a vacuum (hence, trying to pull even more mass along for the ride, increasing the net load of the recovery).

BTW, I do not believe the rollcage of a drag car is made out of 0.063 wall tubing, but that's another discussion entirely.
I meant to say .83 sorry. Either way some here get awfull worked up about other peoples stuff yet they have absolute junk of their own.

Let's try this again for those who were to stupid to listen the first time. I bought the truck with no bumper............I needed the truck to help with moving.............I built a bumper so I wouldn't get a ticket..............My garage is not yet fully constructed..............When it is the truck goes in to get it's 1500hp powerplant and all the tube.....................Do you see any tube yet?...................No, you don't because I didn't get that far yet...............Do you all run your mouths alot without paying attention? Yes............................Do you all make me laugh? Oh hell yes.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 02:01 PM   #174
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Let's establish a new set of rules for my thread:

1. No one from MI can post unless your junk makes 500hp or more.
2. If you live in a trailer stay the fukc out.
3. You must have been to college to post in here.

It's not my fault that some of you need 1" thick material to make up for your lack of engineering. Ever wonder why drag cars can wreck at 200+mph with .063 tubing but your junk ass shit needs .250 wall to survive a 5mph rollover? Go the fukc back to school.
1. I live in Michigan, and have built plenty of 500 hp + engines. I have been a member of the same 460 forums that you are, since the network 54 days.
2. Own a stick built home.
3. Have one degree and pursuing another.

So since I pass your "rules", I have a couple thoughts. Are you really this attention whorish? I have read plenty of your posts on the 460 forums and you never acted like a twelve year old over there. Way to make the BBF crowd look like a bunch of tools. The people you're arguing with are well educated and good at what they do, and simply gave you a couple of suggestions. I'm still trying to figure out what you're attempting to accomplish jumping from board to board saying "look at me!". Did you expect everyone to want to blow you because you have a 1,000hp + turbo big block? That really isn't too special these days...
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i think that YOU as the manufacturer should drive to Michigan to give a demonstration. bfGoodrich does not say come here and look at my product does it? no they put it in baja and other events to prove that it can stand up. you keep walking around the fact that you pulled a truck on what a 16" wide tire? across a gravel driveway big fucking deal. go bury that truck in mud say 3 feet of mud. then go ahead and try and recover it and post results. but since you have avoided it before i dont see it happening now.
So when was the last time BFG sent you a set of free tires? They didn't did they. You are a nobody just like everyone on this forum including me. Now once I finish what I stated in the thread above I'll hook up to anyone's trail rig here and we will see who gets drug or breaks. Now do you guys want to continue to entertain me or discuss something worth a shit.
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1. I live in Michigan, and have built plenty of 500 hp + engines. I have been a member of the same 460 forums that you are, since the network 54 days.
2. Own a stick built home.
3. Have one degree and pursuing another.

So since I pass your "rules", I have a couple thoughts. Are you really this attention whorish? I have read plenty of your posts on the 460 forums and you never acted like a twelve year old over there. Way to make the BBF crowd look like a bunch of tools. The people you're arguing with are well educated and good at what they do, and simply gave you a couple of suggestions. I'm still trying to figure out what you're attempting to accomplish jumping from board to board saying "look at me!". Did you expect everyone to want to blow you because you have a 1,000hp + turbo big block? That really isn't too special these days...
What part of entertainment did you not understand? Honestly the whole thing was pure entertainment. Why don't you look at how long it took me to respond on the first page? It was almost a month. If it bothered me that much I would have responded much earlier. You must not post on the Bullet, right?

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Old May 26th, 2011, 02:08 PM   #177
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Im fairly confident that I posted the only legitimate question in this entire 9 page cluster fawk and yet it is the only one that goes unanswered. Would you mind explaining your thoughts for the side bolts? or is calling everyone hillbillies just too much fun?
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Old May 26th, 2011, 02:12 PM   #178
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Im fairly confident that I posted the only legitimate question in this entire 9 page cluster fawk and yet it is the only one that goes unanswered. Would you mind explaining your thoughts for the side bolts? or is calling everyone hillbillies just too much fun?
It is fun and I'll paste that info from the other site.

Let me do a little explaining on the design that I didn't have the oppertunity to do on the other site before I was jumped by a bunch of hillbillies. When I got the truck it had no rear bumper. I needed a bumper to use the truck to move to our new house so I had to do something quickly.

The holes in the end will be used to tie in the ends of the tubular fender flares that I will be building as soon as I have access to my new shop. They will be also tied into the rock sliders that I haven't got to yet. The outside where there is no gusset will have about a 1' long peice of 1 5/8" tubing bolted to the frame, back bumper, and fender flare. There will also be a winch mount for a rear winch.
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i was not the one who asked for a bumper. honestly i can build my own bumper and will do so. but again as i said they put there product out there, you have not. who the hell wants to drive to you rip that thing off and then drive back home? would you drive up here rip a bumper off my ranger and drive back home for the fun of it? most likely not. and i just bought a 6 foot piece of 2x6 1/4 wall, 6 feet of 6" 3/8s plate and 4" 3/8s plate and 2x2 1/8 wall and only paid 60 bucks for all that. so maby you should shop on prices a bit
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Old May 26th, 2011, 03:05 PM   #180
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Looks pretty sweet.
I'll take 2.
I need a front bumper and a rear bumper.
They will be going on a Chrysler 300.

What kind of warranty (not that I need one obviously....)

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