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Old September 7th, 2006, 06:06 PM   #21
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Isn't there supposed to be a seperation between church and state? Wouldn't the reverend in front of his name kind of blur that line just a little bit. Then again not like that matters didn't he get like 15 or 25% of the popular vote the last time he ran? I'm not actually old enough to remember that I just remember it coming up in discussion while I was failing history class :miff:
seperation of church and state refers to state endorsed or mandatory religion like the king of england did. It does not mean the state can not recognize a religion or a pastor, clergyman, cleric, nun, reverand, witch doctor, can't hold office. Plus Jesse Jackson isnt a REAL reverand anyways. He is self appointed. He is no more a reverand than Dr. J was a doctor, or Dr. Dre is a doctor.

I dont think he got anywhere near 15 % of the vote. Plus he has experienced so much scandal since he ran in the 80s ... even though he is a face time camera whore he is to pompous to run again and face questions about his corp shakedowns on wall street, his kids budwieser distributorship he got for ending a boycott with anhieser busch, and his infidelity .... never mind his very possible involvement with the assasination of MLK, and his lies involved with that. Ohh and the being a racist also GOD i hate jesse jackson. Plus he is a bug eyed weird talker. If people think bush is a bad speaker, jesse jackson would set the bar to an unbeatable level.

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Old September 7th, 2006, 08:33 PM   #22
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Bones, I'm curious, who would you li ke to run for president?
I don't have a specific person on my mind...

however with the current economy and the state of the world (middle East, Isreal, ect) I would love to see someone with a brief background in either the military or in a corporation (small/large, public or private). The best presidents often aren't the best polititians either. When I think of a the US needing a leader in a time of economic struggle and war, I don't think of us needing a President with an attorney/lawyer/law based background.

But I like I said before, Rudy is probably the best of the people who actually want to be the President in this day and age. He is one of few people I can think of that served on the supreme court (I think?) but isn't stuck in his ways. He is very good at adapting...

Actually I can only think of one person that would be perfect. He has worked a business from the ground up and has a background in the armed forces. He is, of course, the founder, CEO, COO, , president, chairmans, spokeman, janitor and delivery driver of SproMart Inc
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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:23 PM   #23
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Seperation of Church and State refers to state endorsed or mandatory religion like the King of England did.

Exactly. People don't seem to understand it the way it's intended.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 02:02 AM   #24
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I guess ever since 9-11 I've only viewed him as a face in the media, especially after his term was over and he toured Isreal, Iraq, etc... but I'm not sure what he has actually done in the last 5 years
Well coincidently that is all the job of President requires... being a good face man.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 04:40 AM   #25
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seperation of church and state refers to state endorsed or mandatory religion like the king of england did.
Don't you think that if we elected a true reverend, pastor, or whatever that this is exactly what they would try to push?

I know the president doesn't have a lot of power but he is free to make suggestions, proposals, and push his agenda. i.e. religion, gay marriage, abortion, minority issues.

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Where is Ross Perot when we need him... :tonka:
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Old September 8th, 2006, 08:16 AM   #27
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Don't you think that if we elected a true reverend, pastor, or whatever that this is exactly what they would try to push?

I know the president doesn't have a lot of power but he is free to make suggestions, proposals, and push his agenda. i.e. religion, gay marriage, abortion, minority issues.
No. They might have ideas that are based in religion like a stance on abortion, or gay marriage, etc but a political leader would likely never try to institute a nationa religion. I dont see how they could. Its misguided to think a rabbi, or pastor would be so likely to do that, but just your regular dedicated follower wouldn't. You are allowed to be in office and have religous feelings. Read about some of the founding fathers. Its no mistake that most democratic nations in the world have the same idea in a round about way. Its very difficult to ammend the constitution, and the president sure as hell cant do anything about it by himself. Any president who tried would be laughed at. I jsut dont see that every being an issue. Just estimateing i would say a good 90+ % of congress is church going christians as were virtually every president and nothing sinister has happened yet.

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Old September 8th, 2006, 11:19 AM   #28
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Just estimateing i would say a good 90+ % of congress is church going christians as were virtually every president and nothing sinister has happened yet.
They may call themselves church going christians, but I will elect to just call them Church Goers (for PR purposes only). A true Christian would not act the way a lot of them do.
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Wait wait wait... you are saying that, with the current alcoholic turned born again christian in the white house.

LOL, separation of church and state..
Clinton was christian, so was kennedy, and so was.............
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I don't have a specific person on my mind...

The best presidents often aren't the best polititians either. When I think of a the US needing a leader in a time of economic struggle and war, I don't think of us needing a President with an attorney/lawyer/law based background.

I agree 100 percent. Although I dont think they'd get the nomination. To much politics.

Heard a saying not to long ago......"anyone capable of becoming president should not be allowed to have the job" or something to that effect.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 12:19 PM   #31
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umm. Hillary has already came out to say she wouldn't be running for president, and she is going to focus on congress.
Of course a politician would never lie....

http://boortz.com/nuze/200609/09012006.html

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=51879

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=3&aid=62245



Giuliani is looking like a good candidate to me. I like (the apparent fact) that he is a MODERATE Republican or a Libertarian if you will. A Republician that has to make bridges to the conservative christians, instead of being right in the middle of their camp, is a good thing in my book.

Research is a good thing too read on, you have 2 years to decide...

http://blogs.washingtontimes.com/insiderpolitics/?p=600

http://www.observer.com/20060911/200...s_wiseguys.asp

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Old September 8th, 2006, 12:34 PM   #32
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Clinton was christian, so was kennedy, and so was.............
There's a difference between christian, and born again christian.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 12:34 PM   #33
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Clinton was christian, so was kennedy, and so was.............
Christianity is a commonplace with most presidents.

Kennedy I know was a Catholic. That was a big issues with some voters that typically voted democrat.
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There's a difference between christian, and born again christian.

Okay, you have my respect again..................not that you really needed it!
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Okay, you have my respect again..................not that you really needed it!

I must be doing something wrong, then :tonka:
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Old September 8th, 2006, 12:44 PM   #36
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I must be doing something wrong, then :tonka:

nah,......you are just young. (a little wet behind the ears) we all grow up after someone kicks are ARSE!
My wakeup call just happened to come from a size 11 boot connected to my Dad's foot.
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Heard a saying not to long ago......"anyone capable of becoming president should not be allowed to have the job" or something to that effect.

That's kind of how I look at it, anyone who is smart enough to really do a lot of good as president is smart enough not to want to be president.
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nah,......you are just young. (a little wet behind the ears) we all grow up after someone kicks are ARSE!
My wakeup call just happened to come from a size 11 boot connected to my Dad's foot.
I'm young and wet behind the ears?

Wow..
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Heard a saying not to long ago......"anyone capable of becoming president should not be allowed to have the job" or something to that effect.
Most likely, an adaptation of:

"I wouldn't want to be part of any club that would allow me to be a member.", said by Groucho Marx...
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There's a difference between christian, and born again christian.
there are also differences between proclaiming oneself a christain, and practicing it.

the various denominations also act, behave, and believe very much differently from each other quite routinely.
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