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Old March 25th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #1
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Detroit— The Michigan State Police announced Thursday it will shutter 21 posts statewide, including one in Detroit, in a restructuring effort that could affect police presence in the city and force rural troopers to work from cars.

Gov. Rick Snyder announced his intention to close posts last month but gave few details. The severity of the plan shocked some: No troopers will be laid off, but come October, the number of posts will fall from 62 to 29, as 12 posts will be downgraded to detachments that are closed to the public but open to troopers for administrative work.

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The move is one of the biggest changes in years to a system of policing that has remained virtually unchanged for seven decades. And it's got some worried if troopers can adequately cover larger areas.

"It's like they are vacating the premises. Do you not see any value any more in the citizens of Detroit?" said Raphael B. Johnson, a leader of the Detroit 300 citizen patrol group that works with police to catch rapists and other criminals.

"Why would you move out?"

Traverse City Mayor Chris Bzdok said he wasn't aware his post was slated for closure until he was told by a reporter. Other posts set to shutter include Groveland Township in Oakland County; Richmond in Macomb County, Bridgeport in Saginaw County and posts up north, such as Cheboygan, Munising and Iron River.

The plan is designed to save about $3.2 million to help the department offset a $20.7 million shortfall to its $521.5 million budget. Michigan State Police Director Kriste Kibbey Etue said in a statement that troopers will continue to patrol roads and assist communities at the same level they have in the past.

"Service levels will either be unchanged or enhanced given the increased flexibility in deployment and scheduling provided by this regional policing plan," Etue said.

Gladwin Mayor Thomas Winarski said the impact would be felt more in the nearly rural area than inside the city limits.

"As a taxpayer of the state of Michigan, I start to wonder: What am I getting for my tax dollars?" said Winarski.

Surprise to Detroit Police
The Detroit News first reported the plan included the closure of Detroit's post in the New Center area.

Detroit Police Chief Ralph Godbee said he's "disappointed at the lack of notice" the city was given "because as partners of law enforcement, I was expecting at the very least that there will be some conversations on what the level of services the city of Detroit can expect from MSP as a result of the closing."

"I'm being apprised of this in the same manner as everyone else," Godbee said. "So what the service limitations will be as a result of closure, I don't know yet."

Troopers in Detroit handle crashes and criminal incidents on the city's freeways in addition to assisting with car chases and shootings in the city. They also serve on multijurisdictional task forces and help extensively with investigating sex crimes.

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The decision came officially Thursday evening after commanders met in Lansing. The Detroit troopers still will work in the city but be assigned to Oak Park and Taylor, while the bike unit will work out of Northville.

Chris Luty, president of the Michigan State Troopers Association, said Detroiters shouldn't be worried because this move will put troopers in "mobile offices" and allow them to be more responsive.

"Our services are going to increase, not only in Detroit but across the state," Luty said. "Troopers are not coming out of the communities that they are currently in. We're going to be taking troopers out of the buildings that they are in. The trooper's association is very supportive of the direction that Col. Etue wants to take our department."

Sen. Rick Jones, R-Grand Ledge, agreed with the cost-cutting measures. "It's more important to keep troopers on the road than to keep 1930s style buildings open that are no longer needed. The troopers have everything they need in their cars."

But Johnson said that having the post in Detroit was important to the city, because troopers could give immediate access to resources that local officers don't necessarily have.

Gary Brown, City Council president pro tem and former deputy police chief, said he's not so concerned about the Detroit post being closed "because the real work is done in the car with the officers on patrol."

"So my concern would be, are they going to reduce the number of state troopers that patrol our freeways … not where they sit down and write a report," Brown said. "I would rather have them in the car on patrol making sure that our freeways are safe and handling emergency situations."



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Old March 25th, 2011, 05:39 PM   #2
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When I moved from Lansing they had recently changed the South Precinct from an active police station to detective unit or something of the sort. The rise in crime on that side of town was pretty steep. I can't remember the exact number but it was close to 50% from the previous year.

Glad I live in Indiana now.
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Old March 25th, 2011, 06:17 PM   #3
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Shouldn't the "citizens" of Detroit be protected by the Detroit Police Dept?

I never understood the structure, city/township departments deal with the city/township. The county sheriff takes care of the other parts. Where do the State Boys come in other than issues that involve more than one county?
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Old March 25th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #4
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With the availability of easy voting means, I.E. internet access or computerized voting machines. This type of issue should be placed in front of the voting public, for those who pay taxes only. As you can imagine, those who do not pay takes would always vote to raise taxes. Each one of these precincts could have a property tax millage assessment on the computerized voting machine.
It could read,
It is estimated that continuation of the current state police force is unsustainable given the shortfall in revenue.
The current shortfall is 12 million dollars.
The current millage load on taxable state SEV in your area is (fill in blank 32 mills for example)
The additional millage required to cover the revenue shortfall will be ( fill in the blank 8 mills for example)
Enter current property tax SEV here (__________)
The rise in your yearly property tax would be ($XXX.XX) If this millage increase is passed.
Do you agree this millage increase should be ratified?
[YES] [NO]
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With the availability of easy voting means, I.E. internet access or computerized voting machines. This type of issue should be placed in front of the voting public, for those who pay taxes only. As you can imagine, those who do not pay takes would always vote to raise taxes. Each one of these precincts could have a property tax millage assessment on the computerized voting machine.
It could read,
It is estimated that continuation of the current state police force is unsustainable given the shortfall in revenue.
The current shortfall is 12 million dollars.
The current millage load on taxable state SEV in your area is (fill in blank 32 mills for example)
The additional millage required to cover the revenue shortfall will be ( fill in the blank 8 mills for example)
Enter current property tax SEV here (__________)
The rise in your yearly property tax would be ($XXX.XX) If this millage increase is passed.
Do you agree this millage increase should be ratified?
[YES] [NO]

Thats crazy talk, people needing to pay for services that they need? your house is worth less. You still need police and fire protection, wait you still want your kids to go to school? But my taxes are unfair, my house is worth less. Did the value of the government worker go down with your home value?
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Good. fuck the MSP.
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Thats crazy talk, people needing to pay for services that they need? your house is worth less. You still need police and fire protection, wait you still want your kids to go to school? But my taxes are unfair, my house is worth less. Did the value of the government worker go down with your home value?
I am confused by this ^^^ please explain?
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Thats crazy talk, people needing to pay for services that they need? your house is worth less. You still need police and fire protection, wait you still want your kids to go to school? But my taxes are unfair, my house is worth less. Did the value of the government worker go down with your home value?
The value of the worker may not have gone down, but the money available to support that worker has evaporated.

Now what?
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The worker takes a pay cut. Not a whole lot else we can do. We cant pay people with something we dont have. It sucks but it is all we have left as an option.
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I'm just putting this out there BUT.....

They just moved into a Ridiculously expensive new head quarters. I want to say 41 Million or something like that. The previous one (across from the Breslin center at MSU) cost them 1 Dollar a year because they leased it for that much. I was pretty sure I remember alot of the people that had to move not being happy about it. I also think I recall Virg Benaro being a part of building the new headquarters Located in down town Lansing.

So they went from being right off the highway, not in the middle of a big city, to being farther away from the highway, in a con-jested city. And they were pretty much forced to do so by higher ups.
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The worker takes a pay cut. Not a whole lot else we can do. We cant pay people with something we dont have. It sucks but it is all we have left as an option.
Or layoffs.

Problem is our elected leaders only seem to be able to find cuts in essential services and education.

I for one have adjusted my voting patterns in the last 4 years. I will not vote for anyone that can only find cuts in essential services.
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I'm just putting this out there BUT.....

They just moved into a Ridiculously expensive new head quarters. I want to say 41 Million or something like that. The previous one (across from the Breslin center at MSU) cost them 1 Dollar a year because they leased it for that much. I was pretty sure I remember alot of the people that had to move not being happy about it. I also think I recall Virg Benaro being a part of building the new headquarters Located in down town Lansing.

So they went from being right off the highway, not in the middle of a big city, to being farther away from the highway, in a con-jested city. And they were pretty much forced to do so by higher ups.
There is so much politics surrounding that move... And the old SP post there off Harrison still sits empty. Some say it was a decision on MSU to not lease the property anymore, some say it was Virgs decision. I say it didnt make sense.
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There is so much politics surrounding that move... And the old SP post there off Harrison still sits empty. Some say it was a decision on MSU to not lease the property anymore, some say it was Virgs decision. I say it didnt make sense.
Yeah, I remember the rumors. I've also heard that MSU will be turning that, and the parking lot north of it, into a 'green space'. Not sure if they planned on making that a green space before or after the MSP moved out though. I don't get how Virg could force the MSP to move when he's not the Governor, just the mayor. Unless the MSP is under the Mayor of Lansing'. I hope not. He's a tool.
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Or layoffs.

Problem is our elected leaders only seem to be able to find cuts in essential services and education.

I for one have adjusted my voting patterns in the last 4 years. I will not vote for anyone that can only find cuts in essential services.


We also need to do something about the leaders pay and benefits. If cops and teachers are taking cuts so should the politicians at ALL levels.
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The way I understand for the post in manistee, is they are going to be based out of the prison warehouse (or something like that), they will still have the same number of troopers, but they will get rid of the operation cost with the post. They handle very little walk in complaints, I heard just by moving them and not having it open to the public and with the other posts doing kind of the same thing, the state will save something like 10 to 15 million dollars of the tax payers money.......I kinda of think this is a win for the tax payers and also the troopers as they still will have a job as well.
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Well, I can see some common sense and good things in this:

1. No MSP officers will be laid off or fired. Awesome!

2. Posts will close to save operating costs - Awesome - as long as those posts that close are redundant with respect to the local authorities.

Seriously. If you're a patrol guy - your office is your car, as long as the desk jockeys have a place to work out of, I can see this being a great way to cut costs.



What makes me laugh is that how people want it both ways - OMG COPS/UNIONS GET PAID TOO MUCH/HAZ TOO MUCH POWAH!!!1!!1

Now that measures are being taken to save money - without a reduction in force - people are all OMG WATMY TAX DOLLERS PAY FOR!? TEHFUX? THE STREETS WONT B SAF 4 ME!!!!1!

For fukc 's sake make up your minds.
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