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Old March 23rd, 2011, 06:10 PM   #1
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Leading by example? Lawmaker introduces bill to make Michigan House, Senate pay 20 percent of health care costs

State, school and local government employees would pay 20 percent of their health insurance under various assumptions in Gov. Rick Snyder’s budget. A state senator would ensure state lawmakers do the same.
The proposal introduced Wednesday by Sen. Rick Jones, R-Grand Ledge, would apply that 20-percent standard to all 148 members of the Senate and House. While all state employees pay 10 percent of their health premium, for new hires it’s 20 percent, legislators pay 5 percent to 7.6 percent, depending on the plan they choose.
“Before we require teachers to pay 20 percent, senators and representatives should set an example,” Jones said. “My bill will require that to happen.”
Snyder’s budget assumes that nearly half of a proposed $470-per-pupil cut in state K-12 aid could be recouped by requiring school employees to pay 20 percent of health insurance. It also assumes $180 million in state agency savings through 20-percent cost sharing to be obtained in upcoming labor negotiations. Local governments that apply that same standard could avoid further cuts in state aid.
Measures introduced by Sen. Mark Jansen, R-Gaines Twp., would require that all non-federal public employees in Michigan, including legislators, contribute at least 20 percent toward the cost of their insurance.
A companion measure would guarantee that schools that do negotiate 80-20 cost sharing with their employees would not receive a state aid funding cut in the next school year.
“It is obvious to me that the governor has a goal of educators paying 20 percent of their health insurance cost,” Jones said. “We must not just use a ‘stick approach’ by cutting funding. We must reward the schools that make the right decisions.”
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 06:13 PM   #2
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pigs do fly, ever see a police helicopter?
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 07:37 PM   #3
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pigs do fly, ever see a police helicopter?
my first thought when I saw the title.

Its good to see the idea of reps and senators setting an example. they have gotten way to much for what looks like forever.
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I agree with the 20% deal up to a certain amount. As insane as medical costs gets when health insurance is involved, how easy would it be to rack many thousands of dollars in medical bills with just a few day stay in the hospital? Is the 20% capped at a dollar amount?

I do think it's completely fair to expect someone to drop a couple twenties to help subsidize a doctor visit or prescription.
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I'm all for it...as long as everybody in the private sector has to pay 20%or more as well
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 08:18 PM   #7
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20% of the monthly premimum.... I pay 30% of the companys premimum on my policy now. Seems fair to share the burden.
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Most places I know of charge the employee between 25 and 40% of the health insurance costs. If they are only going up to 20% then it is long overdue.
What is the likelyhood of people voting money out of their own pocket?
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 09:03 PM   #9
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Oh they will not lose any money they'll just give them selfs a raise at the same time to make up for it.
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I agree with the 20% deal up to a certain amount. As insane as medical costs gets when health insurance is involved, how easy would it be to rack many thousands of dollars in medical bills with just a few day stay in the hospital? Is the 20% capped at a dollar amount?

I do think it's completely fair to expect someone to drop a couple twenties to help subsidize a doctor visit or prescription.
20% of thier insurance premium. Not the cost of their medical expenses. I, some one who falls under "public employee", am at 40% right now. I'm not considered full time though.
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 11:29 PM   #11
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20% of thier insurance premium. Not the cost of their medical expenses. I, some one who falls under "public employee", am at 40% right now. I'm not considered full time though.
Ah yeah, total brain fart. Thought they meant 20% copay.
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At my last few jobs I think I was paying close to 100%
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I'm all for it...as long as everybody in the private sector has to pay 20%or more as well
Private companies are private, therefor if they can afford to give you insurance without the employee paying, then they can afford it. You work for the state, if the state can't afford it then they have to cut back just like a a company from the private sector would.
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20% of thier insurance premium. Not the cost of their medical expenses. I, some one who falls under "public employee", am at 40% right now. I'm not considered full time though.
My wife was in a similar boat. When she got hired full time it dropped to 20% or less.
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I'm a public employee (not a state employee though) and pay just over 10%. In the long run I wouldn't complain too much if it went up to 20% but I wouldn't want it to jump all at once though (maybe go to 13%, then 18% then 20% or something like that). Considering that I've taken paycuts every year since 2008 and am expecting another pay cut this year and next, another big chunk coming out for the health insurance would be a tough pill to swallow.

As far as our state legislators go, I think that if they are considering raising all state employees' premiums then it would only be fair that they raise their own as well.
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Private companies are private, therefor if they can afford to give you insurance without the employee paying, then they can afford it. You work for the state, if the state can't afford it then they have to cut back just like a a company from the private sector would.
too bad...if you want services then you have to pay for them...seeing as the public wage isn't very high you need to give the public worker more attractive benefits…
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too bad...if you want services then you have to pay for them...seeing as the public wage isn't very high you need to give the public worker more attractive benefits…
^^^This is why our state is in trouble. We CAN'T afford that anymore. Neither can we push that number back because of the unions. Something has to give and I'd take out unions (and all the crap that comes with them) before I took out the Employee.
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^^^This is why our state is in trouble. We CAN'T afford that anymore. Neither can we push that number back because of the unions. Something has to give and I'd take out unions (and all the crap that comes with them) before I took out the Employee.
then give up your services...no more teachers, no more police, no more fireman, no more busing kids to school...ect Everythings costs money, so don't expect the people that do those jobs to keep doing them for half the pay....fire them all, hire people that will work for half the pay and see what kind of services you get...I'm all for it
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then give up your services...no more teachers, no more police, no more fireman, no more busing kids to school...ect Everythings costs money, so don't expect the people that do those jobs to keep doing them for half the pay....fire them all, hire people that will work for half the pay and see what kind of services you get...I'm all for it
Glad you're all for it. Welcome to the private sector, and good luck.
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