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Old March 27th, 2011, 08:58 PM   #61
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Just say it... you don't care is people from other countries hate us.
I'm good with that. I don't care if people from other countries hate us.
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Old March 27th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #62
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Bush was by far the worst president since Jimmy Carter. Obama was handed the country in the worst shape its been in since the great depression. He helped the auto companies get the loans they needed. So for you all that work for the auto companies shut your fucking mouth about bush being great. Second they were loans not Bailouts like bush gave to the banks and insurance companies. At least the money Obama gave out is being repaid.
As far as the health care goes if Bush,Clinton and SR Bush would have done something when they had the chance to do something. Obama wouldnt had to do what he did. He may not be the best President ever but he is better than the last two. Clinton started this economic down turn and Bush acclerated it. Now they leave it to Obama to solve the issue.
Those who want change for better ,Its not going to happen in 4 years. Remeber this is 16 years in the making. Lets just hope Ron Paul can get into office so we can see some real change.
Obama was not handed anything. He actively and openly campaigned for the office. If he did not know what he was getting into, then that is his fault for not paying attention. If he was aware, then I have no sympathy for him every-time he makes reference to the last 8 years.

The money that was given out in the form of loans under both Bush and Obama has not, and has not started, to be paid back. That's called "smoke and mirrors." The news stories that are fed through the MSM about loans being paid back early, and with interest are on loans given prior to Obama. Its a nice parlor trick, but is SOP for politics in the US. And furthermore, it is not the Governments money to loan out. Its my and your money and it should be used to fund the US Government, not pick winners and losers based on union influence, campaign donations or lobbyists.

Clinton did not start this economic downturn, neither did the first Bush, Where we are today has been in the works since the Roosevelt era. Clinton rode the tech bubble wave and fudged many of his numbers based on expectations and money that did not exist outside electronic balance sheets. I forget the actual numbers, but Clintons surplus was on paper. It never really existed. Bush 2 screwed the pooch by not getting spending under control after the tax cuts. Tax cuts dont do squat in the grand scheme of things if spending is not also addresed. Bush 1 failed by allowing himself to be tricked like Reagan was. Reagan failed by not getting spending under control. See a recurring theme here?

As much as I like some of the things Paul has to say...I doubt you will ever see him sitting in the big chair. As a country, we are not there yet. Close... But probably not within the next 10 years or so.
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Old March 27th, 2011, 09:25 PM   #63
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It would be nice if they wouldn't hate us, but there's little we can do about it.

For example, they were all excited when Obie was elected, because we were getting over our history of oppressing blacks. Pretty choice seeing the level of institutionalized discrimination prevalent across Europe. See any black legislators in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, etc... No you don't. Do they have black populations? Absolutely.

Dubya built alliances with them in Afghanistan and to a lesser degree in Iraq. Apparently it wasn't enough. I guess they wanted "alliances" more like the old days of NATO where the U.S. carried the bulk of the weight (and cost) of protecting Europe, freeing them to develop their economies.
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Was preoccupied in the grannie thread. Yes I want my President back.....
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...Clinton did not start this economic downturn...
I have to take issue with this statement. While I very much agree that the government's financial picture is caused directly by the New Deal and it's socialist push (did you know that Roosevelt warned congress about letting welfare become a way of life?), Clinton's push for banks to loan money to people who should not have been given money (The National Homeownership Strategy) and the subsequent failure of those people to pay back their loans caused this problem for every day people.

How was that for a run-on sentence?

Back to Bush/Obama - I'm not sure that I can see a lot of difference in their actions. Both spent WAY too much money. Both started military actions against sovereign nations. Both fumbled disasters (Katrina and BP Oils Spill). The differences I see are in the justifications and circumstances under which they acted. Bush wins that side of the debate handily. He removed a leader with a history of threatening the USA and of pretending to have weapons that could kill a large number of people without defense. Qadaffi hasn't threatened us since Reagan was in office, hasn't killed any large number of people even now that they are starting a civil war in his country (what would an American President do if Virginia tried to break away from us?), and hasn't made any mention of any significant weaponry. Bush tried to step in but was refused when the governor of Louisiana wouldn't accept an offer of help in a state matter. Obama just raised the number of channels that paperwork had to run through in an effort to avoid embarrassing press releases or statements.

Does anyone doubt that Obama will win the next election?
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 06:16 PM   #66
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If the conservatives are divided in their voting it is a good chance that Obama could win a second term.
A little trivia....Clinton has been the only democrat to be president for two terms since 1947
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Conservatives are already divided between fiscally and socially conservative. I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I don't care if you're gay, but don't give lazy people money that you've stolen from my paycheck in the form of taxes.
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