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Old March 25th, 2011, 10:00 AM   #21
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Yes, you are right. Making enemies was something that Bush was very good at.
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just messin that was a horrible day in our nations history
I just dont understand where brewmenn is coming from. Other than "enemies" from Hollywood, I dont see any that dubya created.

A massive terrorist attack and a massive natural disaster fucked alot of shit up. I just dont see how either of these are Bush's fault.

Iraq war justified? No more/no less than what we are currently doing in libya...
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Old March 25th, 2011, 10:50 AM   #23
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I fucking thrived under bush. now the watermelon man wants to take it all away.
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Imposed an unconstitutional health plan on America.
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Old March 25th, 2011, 12:07 PM   #27
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He took out sadam husain. That is what we went there to do.
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I'm not picking on you specifically. I'm just trying to clear something up.

We are talking about two different stages of this "war". One is the actual war. The initial push to 'take control' of the state. Something I think we DID accomplish very close to the beginning.

"well then why are we still there?" Simple, You can't just take down a government and then leave. We are currently at an Occupation of Iraq. There is still a decent amount of resistance, but we can now work on getting the 'right' people into control.

So yeah, Bush did win the Fight, they just couldn't get up and leave when bush did. There is still work there to make it viable to leave.
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I'm not picking on you specifically. I'm just trying to clear something up.

We are talking about two different stages of this "war". One is the actual war. The initial push to 'take control' of the state. Something I think we DID accomplish very close to the beginning.

"well then why are we still there?" Simple, You can't just take down a government and then leave. We are currently at an Occupation of Iraq. There is still a decent amount of resistance, but we can now work on getting the 'right' people into control.

So yeah, Bush did win the Fight, they just couldn't get up and leave when bush did. There is still work there to make it viable to leave.
After we took out saddam that is when the insergentecy came in and wanted to fill the vacuum left by our troops, which has kept us there for the length of time that we have been there otherwise I beleive we would have been gone long ago.
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Some people didn't want President Bush to leave. A very few, but some. Also, It's not that they want President Bush back, they just want Obama Gone. I'm pretty sure people would take Elmo over Obama right now.
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I just dont understand where brewmenn is coming from. Other than "enemies" from Hollywood, I dont see any that dubya created.

A massive terrorist attack and a massive natural disaster fucked alot of shit up. I just dont see how either of these are Bush's fault.

Iraq war justified? No more/no less than what we are currently doing in libya...
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I'm not picking on you specifically. I'm just trying to clear something up.

We are talking about two different stages of this "war". One is the actual war. The initial push to 'take control' of the state. Something I think we DID accomplish very close to the beginning.

"well then why are we still there?" Simple, You can't just take down a government and then leave. We are currently at an Occupation of Iraq. There is still a decent amount of resistance, but we can now work on getting the 'right' people into control.

So yeah, Bush did win the Fight, they just couldn't get up and leave when bush did. There is still work there to make it viable to leave.

It seem that over the last 100 years winning a war has changed, it used to be you won and then got the land. Now you win and have to set up a government and pay to get it working. Then turn it over to the people that you just desicamated(sp). AND hope that they like you. Why do we keep trying?
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With Bush, you knew what you had. He was principle-driven, and predictable.

With Obama, it's a crap shoot. He condemns Bush entering into wars after consulting Congress. Then when his manhood / leadership / resolve gets called into question, and he flings $100M+ of missiles at a country without consulting Congress first.

Obama's utterly out of his depth and it shows.
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It seem that over the last 100 years winning a war has changed, it used to be you won and then got the land. Now you win and have to set up a government and pay to get it working. Then turn it over to the people that you just desicamated(sp). AND hope that they like you. Why do we keep trying?
Like anything else there are different goals for different things. We don't have to get the land. The Goal of the Iraq war was to break down their oppressive government. We did that. That was our Goal. Do you really want us to own any more land?
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I just dont understand where brewmenn is coming from. Other than "enemies" from Hollywood, I dont see any that dubya created.

A massive terrorist attack and a massive natural disaster fucked alot of shit up. I just dont see how either of these are Bush's fault.

Iraq war justified? No more/no less than what we are currently doing in libya...
Of course you don't understand. For you to understand would require you to find out about, and care about what people in other countries think about the USA, neither of which you are inclined to do. There is nothing I can say here that will change that so further discussion is pointless.

I agree that we need to be very careful with what were getting into in Libya.
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Bruce these people hated us before Bush was even in office. It really is not fair to blame him for their dislike in us.
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Bruce these people hated us before Bush was even in office. It really is not fair to blame him for their dislike in us.
Yes, some always hated us. More did after Bush.
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Like anything else there are different goals for different things. We don't have to get the land. The Goal of the Iraq war was to break down their oppressive government. We did that. That was our Goal. Do you really want us to own any more land?
Do they have oil?? yes.. I say own it and turn it over to Israel for extra land. We will call it a territory like guam or puerto rico and have a nice source of oil.
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Yes, some always hated us. More did after Bush.
Where do you get those stats?
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Do they have oil?? yes.. I say own it and turn it over to Israel for extra land. We will call it a territory like guam or puerto rico and have a nice source of oil.

I am assuming your brain is inop. I thought the statement about the drunk in the truck was stupid. This is worse. WTF? You cant really think this is really what we should do.

It is times like this I am reminded why women shouldnt be allowed to have opinions.
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Do they have oil?? yes.. I say own it and turn it over to Israel for extra land. We will call it a territory like guam or puerto rico and have a nice source of oil.
It's not the government that owns the oil wells though. Are you saying we should just take things away from private companies? Now if you wanted to own the country and then put some outragous, non-USA, export tax on oil then you could do that but that wouldn't really be any different then the people we came to overturn.
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