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Old March 21st, 2011, 01:27 PM   #41
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1. The OP needs to look up fascism in the encyclopedia.

2. If you compare public teachers pay to private teachers pay, you will see that the public school teachers are compensated at 2-4 times what private sector teachers get.
Public school teachers have to deal with every idiot who lives in their district.

Private schools select which students they want to allow vs not allow in their district.

that alone in my book means a public teacher should get paid more for having to deal with the rif raff
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Old March 21st, 2011, 01:35 PM   #42
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1. The OP needs to look up fascism in the encyclopedia.
1. Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power--a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all come under legal (and extra-legal) attack.
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[QUOTE=mybluetoy;2587523]Nice, what are you 10 years old?



10 year old knows Bro Rock Oblabla Sucks Ass.

Read this out loud in the stupidest voice you can do.....

Whats better getting run over by a Cat dozer or a John Deere.

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Nice, what are you 10 years old?



Replacing our local elected officials with "emergency financial managers" is not fascism? Why can white collar workers get fat bonuses with outrageous pay, and your blue collar workers get stepped on because they are union workers, without being a union they would not have a voice. I'm guessing once the unions are broken up, that the blue collar hourly pay will drop and white collar pay and bonuses will go up. Not taking sides, just would like some insight, some facts, actual fact and not someone who acts like they are 10 years old. Thanks.
I might be mistaken but I thought I heard something on the playground about the federal government and to big to fail companies, government deciding who they are and then taking them over if they,the government decided, that was the right move. (according to them) Fascism????? Maybe. Better than Socialism????? To broad of a question
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1. Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power--a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all come under legal (and extra-legal) attack.
Look up fag see what it says
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Those are great points, I think people should work hard! I also agree with the second one too. My sister in-law is a public school teacher and says that parents need to be more involved in their kids academics then they are, and until that changes it is a uphill battle. I think she sometimes feels like an over educated daycare worker?
We have to many teachers that don't have a passion for teaching and took that route for the short work year and benefits.

Public schools = Government run = Failure

Schools need to be run by the private sector.
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About "emergency financial managers": This would occur when the local officials have literally run through all of their money and the state is required to step in. As a taxpayer who doesn't live in Detroit, I want someone else at the helm when my tax dollars start flowing into Detroit schools because they've already demonstrated that they can't handle things. Throwing good money after bad has always been a losing strategy.

Want to retain local control? Don't tolerate incompetent elected officials (or their toadies/appointees) - even if your union endorses them. If the public employee union likes and backs a candidate, immediately place them under suspicion. Elections have consequences, even at the local level.

Breaking up unions? Not necessary. However, unions need to understand the realities of our world. Public employees cannot continue to have pay rates, benefits, etc... that outstrip the private sector that pays for it all out of reduced earnings. Business cannot afford unskilled labor at $50-$100/hour.

As a "white collar" guy, I've experienced vastly reduced benefits, and pay has shrunk as well - much more than our union folks, btw. Don't fall prey to thinking that executive compensation (which has gotten out of control and needs to be reined in) and "white collar" are the same.

The 50s, 60s, and 70s with never-ending growth, and companies giving into increasing union demands time and again (because they could pass the cost increases along) to avoid strikes will be shown to be a passing thing, like the wild west. Unions keep wanting to go back to those days (and who wouldn't?), but wishing ain't gonna make it so.

Look at how many TVs, radios, towels, clothing, and shoes are made in the U.S. We used to make virtually all of those things for ourselves. Now we make little or none. Unions did that.

The Dept of Energy has a program where they'll fund people replacing old appliances with new, more efficient "energy star" models. Few to no rebates are being handed out because the law requires the new energy star appliances have to be U.S.-made. There aren't any. Unions again.
You can't post shit like that. Now people know more than their favorite news channel has informed them of, you bastatrd.
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So what you're saying is my right to vote is still there? But it doesn't count if I'm in the majority because the governor has different plans? These emergency finacial officers or corporate board members, who voted them in? Where are the checks and balances?
What if the majority wants to go back to slavery?
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Old March 21st, 2011, 02:20 PM   #49
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1. Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power--a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all come under legal (and extra-legal) attack.
lol, that's only somewhat true, go look it up in some real encyclopedia instead of someone's opinion what it is.
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Old March 21st, 2011, 02:38 PM   #50
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lol, that's only somewhat true, go look it up in some real encyclopedia instead of someone's opinion what it is.
What is the definition of fascism?

The term fascism is defined as:

Main Entry:fas·cism
Pronunciation:\ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function:noun
Etymology:Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:1921
1often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army ∼ and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized

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Old March 21st, 2011, 02:43 PM   #51
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So my answer is somewhat correct, you asked what I would do and said shut the city down. You respond with that is what Synder is basically doing.

Why with the name calling? Do you have some sort of complex?

Why don't you give answer to fix the problem? Or maybe you just like smiley faces and name calling? Yeah that will solve our problems. A lot of people answer with those when they do not know how to express their own thoughts.
I cant help it if a spade is a spade. You bitch about what Snyder wants to do then you offer the same thing up as your solution. I am sorry you are not a moron. You are an idiot.

Why dont I give an answer? I wasnt complaining about what he wants to do. Did I express that correctly for you? If you dont understand it I am sure I can express myself another way if it helps.
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What is the definition of fascism?

The term fascism is defined as:

Main Entry:fas·cism
Pronunciation:\ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function:noun
Etymology:Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:1921
1often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army ∼ and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized

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That's better. So how does Snyder fit into this?
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Old March 21st, 2011, 02:55 PM   #53
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Wow there are a lot of internet trolls on this site. Was looking for some informative information from some educated people in a civil tone. Thanks to those who did answer in a mature way. I enjoy a good debate, but wow some of you just go to far. Thanks.
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Dont make stupid comments and you wont be called stupid. Its that easy.
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Wow there are a lot of internet trolls on this site. Was looking for some informative information from some educated people in a civil tone. Thanks to those who did answer in a mature way. I enjoy a good debate, but wow some of you just go to far. Thanks.
There are many grumpy old (and some young) men on this site. This subforum is has the Caption of "Bring your flame suit" though. That means you shouldn't be surprised when they act this way because they do all the time. They actually were having a pretty decent conversation with you actually. You just need to let the names and stuff not get to you.
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http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm
We are pretty much already in a fascist state.
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Dont make stupid comments and you wont be called stupid. Its that easy.
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Which is better jumping into molten rock or molten iron

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Okay, we've pasted many definitions of fascism.

How do any of them apply to Snyder?

"... a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

I haven't seen Snyder exalting nation, state, or race above the individual. Likewise, no regimentation or suppression.

I guess one looking for something to criticize could exaggerate "emergency financial managers" into representing a "centralized autocratic government".

However, there's a flaw with that reasoning. PA 4 the new "emergency financial manager" law replaced PA 41, the old "emergency financial manager" law, that was signed into law by Jim Blanchard. Since the original law was enacted, seven emergency managers have been installed: Hamtramck 2000, Highland Park 2001, Flint 2002, Three Oaks 2008, Pontiac & Ecorse 2009, and Benton Harbor 2010. Granholm also installed an emergency financial manager for the Detroit schools in 2009.

So, NOT a Snyder invention.
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didn't claim it did, just posting the signs
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