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Old March 11th, 2011, 09:53 AM   #21
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I don't know all the numbers and all the info, but I look at it this way.

If the Dems kept lowering taxes more and more for seniors and the poor, then it slanted the brunt of taxation to businesses and middle/upper class. Maybe Snyder is just evening things back out. But since we don't know what was done before, now it looks like he is doing something horrible.

IMO, lowering taxes for businesses means they can grow, expand, hire more people and bump the economy up in the area(s) they operate in. To seniors, if you haven't been responsible with your retirement plans early on in life....sorry ya lost. To the poor, it's about time you fucks start paying back some taxes for all the government hand outs you get.
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they should also regulate bridge cards, cause they are being abused and should make the holders take a random drug tests. cause thiers alot of gov. money begin misused right thier.
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No, you're wrong. This entire mess is totally the fault of the educated $18 an hour cop, fireman, teacher & EMT thinking they are worth too much. They should all be punished accordingly and stripped of any pay and benifits that are more than enough to keep them alive during the useful portion of their lives! It's public service, shouldn't you be happy enough just helping protect and educate the public here on our homelands? Maybe we can use this as precedent to remove pay and health benefits from our military? Then cap ER doctors and nurses earnings at $60-80k a year to save more money...etc...

Next, change the emergency manager laws that are already in effect and working to ones that strip any and all local input or control. Then cut off all revenue sharing to the 509 Michigan municipalities that are getting it so we can in turn hand them all over to a central power or make them company towns. Screw local rights, big government knows best.

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Old March 11th, 2011, 11:45 AM   #24
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Awsome rebuttal! You must have been captain of the special ed debate team.

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He probably does.

In addition to my last comment; The first and foremost place to start 'fixing' is welfare entitlement program reform / elimination. Go after the non working before going after those who contribute.
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Old March 11th, 2011, 11:54 AM   #25
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I posted this on facebook and it is going wild, Getting posted by everyone LOL!!!!
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In addition to my last comment; The first and foremost place to start 'fixing' is welfare entitlement program reform / elimination. Go after the non working before going after those who contribute.
I like where your head is at.
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They should all be punished accordingly and stripped of any pay and benifits that are more than enough to keep them alive during the useful portion of their lives! It's public service, shouldn't you be happy enough just helping protect and educate the public here on our homelands? Maybe we can use this as precedent to remove pay and health benefits from our military? Then cap ER doctors and nurses earnings at $60-80k a year to save more money...etc...
Good idea. When can we start this?


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I don't know all the numbers and all the info, but I look at it this way.

If the Dems kept lowering taxes more and more for seniors and the poor, then it slanted the brunt of taxation to businesses and middle/upper class. Maybe Snyder is just evening things back out. But since we don't know what was done before, now it looks like he is doing something horrible.

IMO, lowering taxes for businesses means they can grow, expand, hire more people and bump the economy up in the area(s) they operate in. To seniors, if you haven't been responsible with your retirement plans early on in life....sorry ya lost. To the poor, it's about time you fucks start paying back some taxes for all the government hand outs you get.

100% correct. More business = more jobs. Less business = less jobs. Why is it so hard to see?

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I could not agree more.
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Old March 11th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #28
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Wow...you don't really believe that crap she's saying, do you? That's some over the top psychobabble. I mean, come on- corporations taking over towns and dissolving them? Give me a break. Another talking head who has never been to Michigan ...and has no idea what is going on here. Her tax complaint is just another version of the "little guy vs big business" ploy. The emergency financial manager plan has basically been waiting in the wings for quite some time, even when Granholm was in charge, just in case things got bad enough to actually need it. The manager appointment has to be voted on by the residents of the city before it can be enacted. This bitch is trying the age old tactic of scaring the fukc out of people who she knows will make no attempt to research if any of what she is saying is true, buying it all hook, line, and sinker.
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You are a fucking idiot.

Sometimes how stupid you are and your comprehension abilities are amazing.
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So, we elected a non-politician who promised to fix things in very non-politician (i.e. challenge sacred cows) w
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The we act surprised when he does. Awesome.

Taxing pensions? Okay.

Let's remember that pensions - as income - are subject to progressive taxation. This means that someone with a $12K/year pension will pay less than someone getting a $80K/year pension (actually, as $12K/year, they may pay nothing anyway). "Pension" <> "low income", except in the language of media fear-mongers.

"Earned Income Tax Credit" - don't even get me started on "tax refunds" that exceed the amount of taxes (if ANY!) paid by an individual. Negative taxation. Bullshit. Good riddance.

MI Small Business Tax - I assume everyone sees the clear logic of double-taxation as an incentive to open/expand/continue a business in MI, right. Duh. Hasta La Bye Bye.
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AJ, seriously, don't come around when the grownups are talking.
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This bitch is trying the age old tactic of scaring the fukc out of people who she knows will make no attempt to research if any of what she is saying is true, buying it all hook, line, and sinker.
The problem is they do buy it. The weak cant think for themselves.


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So, we elected a non-politician who promised to fix things in very non-politician (i.e. challenge sacred cows) w
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The we act surprised when he does. Awesome.

Taxing pensions? Okay.

Let's remember that pensions - as income - are subject to progressive taxation. This means that someone with a $12K/year pension will pay less than someone getting a $80K/year pension (actually, as $12K/year, they may pay nothing anyway). "Pension" <> "low income", except in the language of media fear-mongers.

"Earned Income Tax Credit" - don't even get me started on "tax refunds" that exceed the amount of taxes (if ANY!) paid by an individual. Negative taxation. Bullshit. Good riddance.

MI Small Business Tax - I assume everyone sees the clear logic of double-taxation as an incentive to open/expand/continue a business in MI, right. Duh. Hasta La Bye Bye.
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AJ, seriously, don't come around when the grownups are talking.
Or in other words...

Shut your whore mouth when the men are talking
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Old March 11th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #34
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I like it and can't wait to see what that 1.8 billion tax cut to business generates.
richer rich people, more piddly shit paying jobs
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Old March 11th, 2011, 05:08 PM   #35
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100% correct. More business = more jobs. Less business = less jobs. Why is it so hard to see?
We need more 'careers,' not more 'jobs.'

Building 10,000 new Chuck e Cheese, Starbucks, Subway, retail clothes stores, etc... with big tax breaks won't do shit. Creating a bunch of below poverty level $7.40 Hr 'jobs' do nothing for the economy. They can't buy houses or new cars and can barely pay for food or rent unless they get a room mate. The only person that makes out in this scenario is the big buisness.

I know of two companies locally that have experienced near exponential growth in a nitch market, yet don't pass on any more money or benefits to their employees or re-invest beyond maintainance. They do this because they know the job market is depressed to the point where all that is available locally are jobs like I mentioned in the above paragraph.

The moral of all of this? Just because big business makes more profit or growth doesn't mean they will share it with you.
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We need more 'careers,' not more 'jobs.'

Building 10,000 new Chuck e Cheese, Starbucks, Subway, retail clothes stores, etc... with big tax breaks won't do shit. Creating a bunch of below poverty level $7.40 Hr 'jobs' do nothing for the economy. They can't buy houses or new cars and can barely pay for food or rent unless they get a room mate. The only person that makes out in this scenario is the big buisness.

I know of two companies locally that have experienced near exponential growth in a nitch market, yet don't pass on any more money or benefits to their employees or re-invest beyond maintainance. They do this because they know the job market is depressed to the point where all that is available locally are jobs like I mentioned in the above paragraph.

The moral of all of this? Just because big business makes more profit or growth doesn't mean they will share it with you.
you socialist piece of shit..........

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Old March 11th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #37
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We need more 'careers,' not more 'jobs.'
Correct. That is on the individual to go to school. Not everybody wants a career. They just want $$. Jobs dont always = big $$. It isnt the state's job to train people for a career.


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Building 10,000 new Chuck e Cheese, Starbucks, Subway, retail clothes stores, etc... with big tax breaks won't do shit. Creating a bunch of below poverty level $7.40 Hr 'jobs' do nothing for the economy. They can't buy houses or new cars and can barely pay for food or rent unless they get a room mate. The only person that makes out in this scenario is the big buisness.
I bet the guy sitting at home with no job would be happy if another business would open nearby that would pay $8-$10. Houses and new cars are not a need. They are wants. Nobody is entitled to those. What is so bad about having to get a room mate? If "Bob" wants a new house and a new car maybe he should get an apartment with "Neil" so ha can afford somewhere to live while he goes to school to get a career.


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I know of two companies locally that have experienced near exponential growth in a nitch market, yet don't pass on any more money or benefits to their employees or re-invest beyond maintainance. They do this because they know the job market is depressed to the point where all that is available locally are jobs like I mentioned in the above paragraph.
The employees get a pay check. That is their benefit to going to work. The company is NOT obligated to share profits with the employees. If the employees dont like it then go somewhere else.

Boo Hoo my boss is rich. So fvcking what? He took the risk and owns the business. If you want more money go to school or sack up and start your own company.


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The moral of all of this? Just because big business makes more profit or growth doesn't mean they will share it with you.
Why is that a problem? As long as you get a fair pay check then you have nothing to bitch about.
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Correct. That is on the individual to go to school. Not everybody wants a career. They just want $$. Jobs dont always = big $$. It isnt the state's job to train people for a career.




I bet the guy sitting at home with no job would be happy if another business would open nearby that would pay $8-$10. Houses and new cars are not a need. They are wants. Nobody is entitled to those. What is so bad about having to get a room mate? If "Bob" wants a new house and a new car maybe he should get an apartment with "Neil" so ha can afford somewhere to live while he goes to school to get a career.




The employees get a pay check. That is their benefit to going to work. The company is NOT obligated to share profits with the employees. If the employees dont like it then go somewhere else.

Boo Hoo my boss is rich. So fvcking what? He took the risk and owns the business. If you want more money go to school or sack up and start your own company.




Why is that a problem? As long as you get a fair pay check then you have nothing to bitch about.
no its the countries obligation to guarantee a opportunity for people to get an education, and taking away pell grants and headstart programs are going the other direction.

if america has people like you running the show there wont "be any other place to go"

not everybody can be a big or small buisness owner.

no companies are not obligated to give any "profits" to the employess, but I hope there is a moral obligation to that, considering the employees are the one making them rich.

honest paycheck? gimme a break, tell that to congress who cant add (considering the budget crisis we are in now)...or some ceo's obscene paycheck and stock options.

I got it! if I work hard I'll be rich! then I wont worry about it anymore.
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Correct. That is on the individual to go to school...
Not everyone can afford college, work full time, pay housing, bills, raise kids etc... In a perfect world we could all live at home with mommie and daddie with their insurance coverage and a few grants until we emerged from the basement with a Masters degree. Not that a degree is any guarantee of a good career worthy job.

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Not everybody wants a career. They just want $$. Jobs dont always = big $$. ..
Ya, steady employment can be a pain in the ass, having to get up every day, etc... Everybody I know wants a job that they don't know will be there tomorrow or to jump from minimum wage job to minimum wage job

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It isnt the state's job to train people for a career..
Right, because it's way cheaper to let them all be on welfare for life than to have cooperative educational job training programs tied to a welfare expiration timeline? This goes toward the first two responses above also.

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I bet the guy sitting at home with no job would be happy if another business would open nearby that would pay $8-$10. Houses and new cars are not a need. They are wants. Nobody is entitled to those. What is so bad about having to get a room mate? If "Bob" wants a new house and a new car maybe he should get an apartment with "Neil" so ha can afford somewhere to live while he goes to school to get a career. .

The $8-10 a hour place will be out of business because a town full of $7 a hour people can't afford to buy goods there. And why should he pay $8-10 an hour when the state has busted the unions and the overall prevailing wage for the area is $7 a hour? Houses, cars, toys, etc = taxes that provide money to the local & state governments that in turn save us money in reduced millages for schools, puclic safety, etc...

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The employees get a pay check. That is their benefit to going to work. The company is NOT obligated to share profits with the employees. If the employees dont like it then go somewhere else. .
In the example I gave they are extorting a skilled workforce based on the socio economic job climate in the area. This is the reason unions were started.

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Why is that a problem? As long as you get a fair pay check then you have nothing to bitch about.
They are not getting fair pay, but they have no where else to go.

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Boo Hoo my boss is rich. So fvcking what? He took the risk and owns the business. If you want more money go to school or sack up and start your own company. .
Sack up and start a business with what? The $7.40 a hour he's been living on or the money he was going to use for college?


We don't need a state full of jobs that don't contribute to a successful economy. With jobs like that why would people strive to get out of a welfare system that gives them more?

At least to me, your views are way too simplistic and show a lack of understanding as to the true economic and social climate that exists in most of the state.
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