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Old February 22nd, 2011, 10:35 AM   #61
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Why doesnt someone post the top paid union officials. If you really want to throw up your lunch.
Nancy Pelosi - > $1


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Old February 22nd, 2011, 10:36 AM   #62
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Unions Suck Ass almost as much as Obama.
Yep, people giving their life for the 40 hr week, vacations, holiday pay and such suck.
Keep telling yourself that somehow magically multi-national corporations aren't going to revert to their ways previous. Human nature and greed haven't somehow vanished.
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Yep, people giving their life for the 40 hr week, vacations, holiday pay and such suck.
Keep telling yourself that somehow magically multi-national corporations aren't going to revert to their ways previous. Human nature and greed haven't somehow vanished.
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Do you really understand what is going on in Wisconsin? Do you really know why collective bargaining rights are the big issue?
It's all greed to you right?

An example: Unions want more money for employees, they elect Dems. to do this, Repubs are also guilty.
They realize the state can not do this, no money. So the Governor gives them huge retirement packages. Has no effect on current budgets so no one gives it a second thought and the grateful union reelects him. Just pass the buck to the next generation.

Well here we are, broke.
Now the union is willing to give some back but will NOT give the power back to lobby for more in the future when another dem. gets elected.
So they look willing to settle this and are able to call the current Governor "Hitler" for not agreeing to the compromise.

This is just a simple example, but true.

The Governor is not taking away the ability for the union to bargain for higher wages in the future based on CPI, just not pensions.

Stop listening to Maddow and MSNBC, they have been caught in several lies in the last few days. Of course they still wont correct themselves.
And I don't mean caught by FOX.

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Old February 22nd, 2011, 10:46 AM   #64
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This is the crap that pisses me off. So, a guy who has no risk, no responsibility and no stress wants to make $50 - $100K. Somebody like you.
Now a guy takes on some responsibilities. He has employees, let's say 20. He has reports to write. He has customers to work with. He has customer complaints. He has huge budget decisions that he has to justify. If things fail, he takes the heat. What's all that worth? Certainly more than you want to make.
Now this same guy gets more employees, more risk, bigger jobs that he is responsible for, bigger budgets, etc. He no longer has his close knit group of employees, but instead is dealing with a larger range of skills and personalities that are much harder to control. What's that worth?

You guys who work FOR SOMEBODY have no idea what it's like to have the stress levels of an upper manager. I have issues that stress me out like you can't imagine. A one hour meeting with some customers will literally wipe me out for the rest of the day. I've had days where I've had to come home and go straight to bed at 7:30, no dinner, just drop my clothes and crawl in bed. With that, I have about 75 employees and I don't make anywhere near those dollars.

I can't imagine what it would be like to have that many employees, large budget, cost constraints and is ALWAYS in the public spotlight. If you offered me that job for $250K I probably would tell you to pound sand.

Do firemen, government subsidized emergency medical services, police, conservation officers, etc... not know what stress and responsibility are as a lower level employee? Just asking

How many of the full time union firemen, cops, emergency services workers on this site are getting rich on their lone income, or even able to properly care for their family with their income? Most got their benefits cut, pensions eliminated and wages frozen years ago when state revenue sharing first started to get cut. You know, the same time most unions in the private sector got their ass handed to them by NAFTA & CAFTA. And all the while this was going on, managment from the second teir on up to the top of government kept getting raises and full paid benefits. The Fox is in charge of the hen house when it comes to upper level government pay & benefits.

Self preservation > public service. Don't ask for quality bottom tier public servants (fire, police, emergency services...) when their investments into the college education, vocational training, and certifications requied to get these jobs greatly outweigh the amount of money they will ever make. I mean really, what kind of idiot would spend more to get a job than it will ever pay them....well besides those that are power hungry, abusive or have another ulterior motives.

The unskilled $36+ dollar an hour high school drop out that picks up a widget from one assenbley line, turns his body 180 degrees and puts said widget on top of another widget is the person that got industry into this mess. They used their unions to extort, by way of strike, wages that were unreasonable for their level of training, experience and education.

And for the record, most hose draggers, beat cops & EMT's aren't making half of the $85+K a year teachers wage figure someone here threw out.
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Stress? How about our military making shit for money out on the battle lines.

And here is a good example about teacher unions in this country.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-bl...y-correlation/
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Police, fire, emt, and GOOD teachers should be paid a very good wage. The problem the unions have created is the ability to seperate the good from the bad. Good luck firing a shitty teacher.
Many of the public union positions do not deserve what they get paid.
But the fact remains none of these people can be paid more than the state can afford. Pensions still remain the big factor.
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Stress? How about our military making shit for money out on the battle lines.

And here is a good example about teacher unions in this country.

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-bl...y-correlation/
And what percentage of Wisconsin students take the SAT?
Wisconsin has a very bad graduation rate, below 50% or close to it if I remember correctly.
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Old February 22nd, 2011, 11:27 AM   #69
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And what percentage of Wisconsin students take the SAT?
Wisconsin has a very bad graduation rate, below 50% or close to it if I remember correctly.
As I have mentioned, many of these stories from the "other" side are incomplete or flat out bullshit.

Funny that so many of the protesters are bussed in Marxists or even from the communist party. "Stand together brothers and sisters"!!! LOL.
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Thats why no government employees should have collective bargaining rights. They work for tax payers, not corporations.

As for what the President gets paid, has nothing to do with anything. Do you have any idea what these men make after they leave office? MILLIONS.
100k+ 10 minutes speeches.

To be President is an honor. Congress, Senate, an honor. Should be getting paid shit, as it was from the start.
These were to be part time jobs, not careers.
You make a good point. . I still think 500,000 is too much for a University president to make. I'm not saying we should all make 50,000 a year, but I think that 200,000 would be past enough. We all have stress in our jobs. Some more then other but, IMO, just because your job is 'more stressful' that doesn't mean you make 450,000 more then us regular guys. Could it be Jealousy? Yeah, sure.
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You make a good point. . I still think 500,000 is too much for a University president to make. I'm not saying we should all make 50,000 a year, but I think that 200,000 would be past enough. We all have stress in our jobs. Some more then other but, IMO, just because your job is 'more stressful' that doesn't mean you make 450,000 more then us regular guys. Could it be Jealousy? Yeah, sure.
Yeah sure 100%.As for what a University President gets paid, thats for the board to decide. When tuition gets to high because they have to pay these guys, student enrollment will fall and changes must be made.
Government involvement only makes things worse, giving students grants to offset the high costs does not force the changes to be made.

EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TOUCHES TURNS TO SHIT.

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I understand that it's a stressful job, I just don't think that much money is necessary, For anybody. The President of the USA doesn't even make that much yet has much more stress to his job then SHE (the president of MSU) does. I get that it's stressful and that they should compensated for it but, at the same time, they apply for the job, they know what it takes. Same goes for the coaches that get paid millions at a State school.



Teachers teach out future generations how to be leaders. That's pretty huge. Not worth 85K, but still huge. Those teachers will end up teaching the future president, the future secretary of defense, ETC....
Who the fukc are you to determine what is enough and not enough when you have no idea what the job entails? Sure, you understand the description but you don't understand what it takes mentally to do the job. You were just called a socialist and you wondered why. Here's why. You think that because it's more than you think a person needs, then they shouldn't have it and they should give it to someone else.

It's called free enterprise.

There are 2 ways to look at the president's pay scale. On it's own, it is way too low. But, with the position comes security for the rest of your life and millions and millions for speaking engagements and books.
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Yeah sure 100%.As for what a University President gets paid, thats for the board to decide. When tuition gets to high because they have to pay these guys, student enrollment will fall and changes must be made.Government involvement only makes things worse, giving students grants to offset the high costs does not force the changes to be made.

EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TOUCHES TURNS TO SHIT.
It's called free enterprise checks and balances.
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Who the fukc are you to determine what is enough and not enough when you have no idea what the job entails? Sure, you understand the description but you don't understand what it takes mentally to do the job. You were just called a socialist and you wondered why. Here's why. You think that because it's more than you think a person needs, then they shouldn't have it and they should give it to someone else.

It's called free enterprise.

There are 2 ways to look at the president's pay scale. On it's own, it is way too low. But, with the position comes security for the rest of your life and millions and millions for speaking engagements and books.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I couldn't have an opinion that was opposite to yours

Also, I never said give what they don't make away. Not once. You're making me sound like a socialist even though I just think that 500,000 is to much for anybody to make. Who needs that much money to live a decent life?
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That would depend on ones perception of a decent life wouldn't it?
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Me.
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Yep, people giving their life for the 40 hr week, vacations, holiday pay and such suck.
Keep telling yourself that somehow magically multi-national corporations aren't going to revert to their ways previous. Human nature and greed haven't somehow vanished.
Divide and Conquer. Enjoy
Greed is the foundation of the union.
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Wow, 500k. I would think that the amount of stress for $500,000 a year would be enough to kill you.

That's over $240/hour. I'd like to know what kind of stress is worth 2k a day.
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That would depend on ones perception of a decent life wouldn't it?
Sure would. I just don't know what some body would do with amount of money. That's ~ 41,680 a month. That's twice what I make a year. Obviously there are taxes and all that but still. What does somebody do with that kind of money? Why do you need it?
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Sure would. I just don't know what some body would do with amount of money. That's ~ 41,680 a month. That's twice what I make a year. Obviously there are taxes and all that but still. What does somebody do with that kind of money? Why do you need it?
I bet if you made that kind of money you wouldnt be complaining. That is called hypocritical.

Do you think everybody should drive a pos minivan as well? I mean, do you really need a car that can go 200mph+ for a cost of over $250k?

What is your "acceptable" wage a person should make?
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