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Old November 4th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #1
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Toyota Twin Stick.

Anyone else taken a shot at making their own?

Some people see them as useless(Edit: For the toy cases, because theres no front dig). But I'm a cheap guy, and when I lock my front end, I'm not going to be able to afford a selectable. And with a twin stick, it can make it a little easier on the front end when I dont need it in 4wd. Coarse, most of you who will read this know the sales pitch.


But anyways, I have a spare TC shifter, and I'm thinking of trying to convert it to twin stick. I already kind of got a start on it, right now my plan is this.


Modifying the original plate.

Using some hardened/chromed hydraulic rod as the internal shifters.

Use a hardened pin with bushings on either side and between the sticks to locate them. Make it a tight fit so they wont rattle around.

I need to somehow get a rubber boot to seal them like stock. Not sure what I'll do for that yet.



This may or may not work, but hey. To save 200 dollars, I'm willing to try.

Any input is appreciated.

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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #2
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Anyone else taken a shot at making their own?

Some people see them as useless. But I'm a cheap guy, and when I lock my front end, I'm not going to be able to afford a selectable. And with a twin stick, it can make it a little easier on the front end when I dont need it in 4wd. Coarse, most of you who will read this know the sales pitch.


But anyways, I have a spare TC shifter, and I'm thinking of trying to convert it to twin stick. I already kind of got a start on it, right now my plan is this.


Modifying the original plate.

Using some hardened/chromed hydraulic rod as the internal shifters.

Use a hardened pin with bushings on either side and between the sticks to locate them. Make it a tight fit so they wont rattle around.

I need to somehow get a rubber boot to seal them like stock. Not sure what I'll do for that yet.



This may or may not work, but hey. To save 200 dollars, I'm willing to try.

Any input is appreciated.


Anyone that sees twin sticks as useless either has no idea what they're talking about, or is nothing more than a mud whore. Fyi, you can turn far sharper popping into front wheel drive than you can popping into rear.

Now I don't know anything about your current transfer case but remember not all transfer cases can be made to twin stick.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #3
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Anyone that sees twin sticks as useless either has no idea what they're talking about, or is nothing more than a mud whore. Fyi, you can turn far sharper popping into front wheel drive than you can popping into rear.

Now I don't know anything about your current transfer case but remember not all transfer cases can be made to twin stick.
Toy cases cannot be made to do front digs



To the original poster:

Its not very hard to twin stick them. What type of case do you have, forward shift or top shift?
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:40 PM   #4
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Look at a few of these threads:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...highlight=twin

this in particular shows how some people do it easy with just adding a top shift lever to a forward shift case.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...highlight=twin


If you need a spare stock shifter, pm me, I have one laying around somewhere to put on ebay...
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:54 PM   #5
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Anyone that sees twin sticks as useless either has no idea what they're talking about, or is nothing more than a mud whore. Fyi, you can turn far sharper popping into front wheel drive than you can popping into rear.
Yeah, I wish I could do front digs. I have to get a driveline disconnect to do that on these.

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Its not very hard to twin stick them. What type of case do you have, forward shift or top shift?
Top shift.

Tomorrow I'm gonna go and get my chrome peices from my last employer. Said he would give them to me for free.

Then I'm gonna head over to Baker on Bristol and see if I can get the machinist teacher there to do a few things for me. He's done some things for me before, so I can only hope.



Quote:
Look at a few of these threads:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...highlight=twin

this in particular shows how some people do it easy with just adding a top shift lever to a forward shift case.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...highlight=twin


If you need a spare stock shifter, pm me, I have one laying around somewhere to put on ebay...
See, now I wish I had a forward shift. Thats a nice idea he had.

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Old November 4th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #6
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Toy cases cannot be made to do front digs

I couldn't remember if they could or not. Thanks


Even so, a twin stick will always be a worthy mod even if it only lets you RWD. More options are very rarely a bad thing in wheeling.

Of course, there IS a D300 in the for sale section for $199...
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Old November 4th, 2008, 04:15 PM   #7
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Even so, a twin stick will always be a worthy mod even if it only lets you RWD. More options are very rarely a bad thing in wheeling.

Of course, there IS a D300 in the for sale section for $199...
Thats why I'm going to do it


And thanks for the tip, I'll look into the D300 swap when hell freezes over.

Well, I guess that only gives me a month.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #8
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If you add a doubler, then you can kick in the doubler box and leave the rear in high-2, and have low range 2wd. It definately helped me a lot of times to turn tighter.

heheheh, you could get a G52 trans, and put an AX-5 tailhousing on it, and bolt up a dana 300 (with a novak 21 spline input)... I almost did this when I was going to put a 22RE in my Jeep. Decided to go with a 4.3 / SM465, thought, its shorter than a toy drivetrain.
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I want to 4.3 swap as well someday. I know those motor's pretty well and they are more simple. 22RE might not be as difficult as I think it is, but as long as I believe my previous statement I can justify spending the money on the swap

I planned on an 4.3/NV4500/Toy TC. But I believe that would be a pretty long combo. Oh well, I have plenty of time before I have to worry about it.
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Old November 21st, 2008, 01:16 AM   #10
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So a day or so after I made this topic, I took some material to a friend of mine to do some machining, and he's had them ever since. I got some of the shifter material back, so this is what I have right now.

He still has my baseplate, I kept telling him he has all the time he needs. He had told me it would be done that night while he had a class, so I expected when I told him I would be back in a week, it would be done.

Well, none of it was. Again, another week later, I went back and he has the two bottom halfs of the sticks done, but didnt touch the baseplate. So I gave it back to him because the work I needed there was the important part. But I cant complain at all, he's doing it for free.

But I got some 304 stainless from Taylor Steel for the internal parts, which I had him mill flat on both sides, and round off the ends. So thats 14 dollars invested so far. Updates again when I get the baseplate back.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 06:47 PM   #11
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Rebel i was wondering how u did your steering on your yota and if u can send me pics of it and i was wondering what size lift and tires u have thanks
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Old November 30th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #12
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I believe the lift is a 4 inch, and I'm running 33's. The lift was on the truck when I bought it. The front sat a little higher than the rear did with 3 in lift blocks, so thats why I'm assuming 4 inch. I did the 63" chevy spring swap on the rear, and the rear sits a little above level now the way I did it.

And the steering is basicly the stock style drag link steering with a S-bent arm. It works just fine for 33's, but I'm still going to do the IFS Steering box swap with a crossover someday.

I have a build up thread with lots of pictures if you wanna look at them. Theres even a few in my Gallery. I'm sure you can get a good look from those. I'm about to bump my buildup for a nice mistake I made today, lol.
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