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Old February 18th, 2011, 11:24 AM   #41
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Here's the problem. People like Kickstand, myself and many others are not opposed to helping people. But not by force.
The American people are the most giving in the world, period.

I do believe we all need to stick together and help each other become the best we can be, but not by FORCE.
This needs to be a local issue where money can be accounted for, the government destroys EVERYTHING it touches.
I completely agree. I just think that we've gone far enough were the government felt they needed to step in. After that some people decided to jump on and take the free ride. I just don't think there are many people that think they should, or want to, give willingly.

I also want to be clear that I'm not saying that's any of you guys. I just see the attitude that many of you portray as the reason people think and act selfishly.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 11:27 AM   #42
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i love taco bell i hope one day they will take EBTs So L4CX and I can eat on other people's money... The Obama Money!!
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I completely agree. I just think that we've gone far enough were the government felt they needed to step in. After that some people decided to jump on and take the free ride. I just don't think there are many people that think they should, or want to, give willingly.

I also want to be clear that I'm not saying that's any of you guys. I just see the attitude that many of you portray as the reason people think and act selfishly.
And what I'm telling you is people act that way because the are being robbed.

Stop the entitlements and change the tax system and people will have much more money than they have now. When that happens people will be much more willing to give.
Because of my attitude here do you get the impressions I don't give a fukc about someone struggling?
Their are two reasons I give thousands away every year to charities. First is tax reasons (pretty shitty that I feel the need to choose that as #1 reason right)
Second, I do give a shit. I try to be very careful who I give my money too, but I give a very good amount to help the needy.

Cut my taxes and I will give even more.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #44
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Here's the problem. People like Kickstand, myself and many others are not opposed to helping people. But not by force.
The American people are the most giving in the world, period.

I do believe we all need to stick together and help each other become the best we can be, but not by FORCE.
This needs to be a local issue where money can be accounted for, the government destroys EVERYTHING it touches.
So true.
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People like me helped get us through the great depression. People that realized that it's our duty as American citizens to help other American Citizens. To look beyond our selves. You're attitude about the whole situation is pretty selfish and that's not how we made it through the Depression and became what we became. People like you are the reason we're in the place we are. IF you think I'm wrong go ask some old people that made it through. They'll tell you it was because people banded together through community and helped each other. Not because they told everbody to go fukc off and kept everything to them selves.

Ridiculousness, I know plenty of old people that lived therough the great depression. Pople like you are exactly what is WRONG with this country. POTMOA is the problem in america, and compassionate whiny do gooders who want everyone to be equal like yourself is the problem, not people like me who work to get ahead in life.

Not everybody can work hard and get through. It's that simple. I know Your idea makes sense to you, but you have a job. You "made it" good for you. Not everybody can. How can they when there aren't the jobs to work?

Are you retarded? I thought it was pretty well known what I do for a living, but telling me there are not enough jobs is like telling a beach there isn't any sand. I have multiple jobs that I can't fill because there are not enough QUALIFIED people for them, I post them on here all the time, the last job I posted I have 15 openings and I have gotten 8 responses of the job boards and 1 person asked me about it on here. We have how many members here?

Do you really think there are enough jobs for everybody to get by?

Yeah I do, but most people are too damn lazy to go and get the qualifications for said job, instead they sit at home on an EBT

Have you tried to get a job in the last 3 years?

I got laid off in July of 2007, I started my last job in August of 2007. In August of 2010 I moved to another company that I am currently with.

I know the majority of people that I know that use EBT would get a better job if they could but they just can't.

Can't? Or won't Or TOO FUCKING LAZY TO GET EDUCATED FOR TODAYS CHANGING WORKFORCE?

Look beyond your situation that you've been blessed with and realize that some people aren't as fortunate.

I wasn't blessed with a damn thing, you think jesus just woke up one morning and said, gee, I like kickstand a lot better than all these lazy people, let's bless him with a job, and let's screw the rest?, I have what I have because I got up off my ass and went and got it. How hard is that to understand?

Also, I was being sarcastic because you were being sarcastic.
I don't even know where to start with you, you have to be kidding me.
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Here's the problem. People like Kickstand, myself and many others are not opposed to helping people. But not by force.
The American people are the most giving in the world, period.

I do believe we all need to stick together and help each other become the best we can be, but not by FORCE.
This needs to be a local issue where money can be accounted for, the government destroys EVERYTHING it touches.
I help people all the time, but I am 100% with stan here.

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And what I'm telling you is people act that way because the are being robbed.

Stop the entitlements and change the tax system and people will have much more money than they have now. When that happens people will be much more willing to give.
See, that's where my world view is a bit different. I believe that we should give even out of Poverty. That's not a commonly shared thing though.

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Because of my attitude here do you get the impressions I don't give a fukc about someone struggling?
Their are two reasons I give thousands away every year to charities. First is tax reasons (pretty shitty that I feel the need to choose that as #1 reason right)
Second, I do give a shit. I try to be very careful who I give my money too, but I give a very good amount to help the needy.

Cut my taxes and I will give even more.
Actually yes. The Tough guy/internet hardass thing comes off as that way. I don't know you, I don't know Kickstand, I just see what I read and that's what I got. I'm glad you give to charities. I wish more people would.
I just don't think, in a general way, that people share that charity. They really think that other people should go F- off and work hard for thier own money. If you can't make it, too bad. It's an attitude that is commonly portrayed, and even argued, here.
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Ridiculousness, I know plenty of old people that lived therough the great depression. Pople like you are exactly what is WRONG with this country.

Well, I guess that's where we disagree then. People that hoard all of thier wealth (which is what you're kind of portraying with your rants) are the reason our country, heck even our planet, is in the situation it is. I'm not saying you as a person are the reason. I'm saying the Additude you are portraying is.

Are you retarded? I thought it was pretty well known what I do for a living, but telling me there are not enough jobs is like telling a beach there isn't any sand. I have multiple jobs that I can't fill because there are not enough QUALIFIED people for them, I post them on here all the time, the last job I posted I have 15 openings and I have gotten 8 responses of the job boards and 1 person asked me about it on here. We have how many members here?

How do you get an education when you work 4 jobs and have a family but barely make it? If you had time for college, how are you going pay for it? When you're making ends meat.


Yeah I do, but most people are too damn lazy to go and get the qualifications for said job, instead they sit at home on an EBT

The ones I'm pulling for don't have time to sit at home. The ones that sit at home can go get a job. I'm with you on that one. I'm just for the ones that are working and use the little amount they get to help feed thier family. I also want to include that if you work, you get less aid. Another reason I'm all for fixing it.

Have you tried to get a job in the last 3 years? I got laid off in July of 2007, I started my last job in August of 2007. In August of 2010 I moved to another company that I am currently with.

I'll come back to this in a minute.

Can't? Or TOO FUCKING LAZY TO GET EDUCATED FOR TODAYS CHANGING WORKFORCE?

Can't. They work 10 hours a day and have a famliy. Unless of course you'd be ok being away from your kids all the time.

I wasn't blessed with a damn thing, I have what I have because I got up off my ass and went and got it. How hard is that to understand?

Please go back to the sentence where you said " I got a job, then moved to another company". How is that not being blessed? Especially in the time period you got that. I guess the above comment would explain why you have the viewpoint you have. Because you don't think anything is a blessing because you've done all the work.

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Nope, I know plenty of people that think the exact way I do. I don't get what's so out there. I get why you think the way you do. It's wrong though. .


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Oddly enough, so am I. I just don't think cutting off something that has been going on this long should be cut instantly. Maybe it's my 'bleeding heart'. I don't know.
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See, that's where my world view is a bit different. I believe that we should give even out of Poverty. That's not a commonly shared thing though.



Actually yes. The Tough guy/internet hardass thing comes off as that way. I don't know you, I don't know Kickstand, I just see what I read and that's what I got. I'm glad you give to charities. I wish more people would.
I just don't think, in a general way, that people share that charity. They really think that other people should go F- off and work hard for thier own money. If you can't make it, too bad. It's an attitude that is commonly portrayed, and even argued, here.
It is an argument that is supported by the left to demonize conservatives. We are all corporate drones, wealth at all costs, damned the poor! Right?

If you were shown the FACTS of what political party gives the most to charity you might be surprised.
The "help the needy" progressives are only good at giving away other peoples money.
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[ How do you get an education when you work 4 jobs and have a family but barely make it? If you had time for college, how are you going pay for it? When you're making ends meat. ["]you find a way, you change your lifestyle, you do what it takes. That is how you get ahead in life, not by asking for handouts.


Yeah I do, but most people are too damn lazy to go and get the qualifications for said job, instead they sit at home on an EBT

The ones I'm pulling for don't have time to sit at home. The ones that sit at home can go get a job. I'm with you on that one. I'm just for the ones that are working and use the little amount they get to help feed thier family. I also want to include that if you work, you get less aid. Another reason I'm all for fixing it.

Have you tried to get a job in the last 3 years? I got laid off in July of 2007, I started my last job in August of 2007. In August of 2010 I moved to another company that I am currently with.

I'll come back to this in a minute.

Can't? Or TOO FUCKING LAZY TO GET EDUCATED FOR TODAYS CHANGING WORKFORCE?

Can't. They work 10 hours a day and have a famliy. Unless of course you'd be ok being away from your kids all the time. Maybe they shouldn't have had a family they couldn't provide for? Maybe they should spend a little less time with their family now, so they can make their family's life better tomorrow? Ever think of that? You're making excuses for them, instead of making excuses, how about making changes and putting in some effort?

I worked with a guy who said he "needed" a second job to make ends meet. We work in a commission based industry, I said "hey, instead of working a second job why not just work harder and smarter at your current job?" I had the exact same job as him, and nicer things, and made double the money, he had the same opportunities I had.

He took my advice, he didn't get the second job, and he is doing much better.


I wasn't blessed with a damn thing, I have what I have because I got up off my ass and went and got it. How hard is that to understand?

Please go back to the sentence where you said " I got a job, then moved to another company". How is that not being blessed? Especially in the time period you got that. I guess the above comment would explain why you have the viewpoint you have. Because you don't think anything is a blessing because you've done all the work.
How is it not being blessed? Easy, I had the experience and the qualifications necessary to find a job in a downed economy, sure, being laid off for only 10 days was pretty lucky, or as you call it blessed, but during those 10 days I also spent 8 hours a day looking for a job, outside of the multiple interviews I had each day, and the networking i did on my own. Blessed nothing, hard work.


Nope, I know plenty of people that think the exact way I do. I don't get what's so out there. I get why you think the way you do. It's wrong though. .
No, it isn't wrong, but a closedminded doo gooder like yourself would think so, because it actually takes hard work, something people like you don't want everyont o have to do.



Oddly enough, so am I. I just don't think cutting off something that has been going on this long should be cut instantly. Maybe it's my 'bleeding heart'. I don't know.
I'm done with this thread, you're clearly on the opposite side of the fence, one where lazy people who don't want to work for anything hang out. You can do what you want with your money, and I'll do what I want with mine (which includes charity and donation when I can) but its by MY choice, not by being overtaxed just to give to some lazy ass.
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I hope be brings me a cheeseburger soon, I'm hungry.
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I hope be brings me a cheeseburger soon, I'm hungry.
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See, that's where my world view is a bit different. I believe that we should give even out of Poverty. That's not a commonly shared thing though.
The government should FORCE us to give even out of poverty? Oh thats right, people are inherently evil and wont give. Well unless they go to your church or believe in your God, right?
Where is your faith in mankind to do the right thing and not judge people?


Actually yes. The Tough guy/internet hardass thing comes off as that way. I don't know you, I don't know Kickstand, I just see what I read and that's what I got. I'm glad you give to charities. I wish more people would.
I just don't think, in a general way, that people share that charity. They really think that other people should go F- off and work hard for thier own money. If you can't make it, too bad. It's an attitude that is commonly portrayed, and even argued, here.
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you find a way, you change your lifestyle, you do what it takes. That is how you get ahead in life, not by asking for handouts.
There is a limit to even this thinking. LIfe is tough sometimes and no matter how much you cut things you 'don't need' you can get to a point of either not eating food or paying rent. Obviously, you haven't been in that situtaion and wouldn't understand.


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Maybe they shouldn't have had a family they couldn't provide for? Maybe they should spend a little less time with their family now, so they can make their family's life better tomorrow? Ever think of that? You're making excuses for them, instead of making excuses, how about making changes and putting in some effort?
There are people, weather you want to admit it or not, that have made as many changes as they could but just haven't been blessed the way you have.

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I worked with a guy who said he "needed" a second job to make ends meet. We work in a commission based industry, I said "hey, instead of working a second job why not just work harder and smarter at your current job?" I had the exact same job as him, and nicer things, and made double the money, he had the same opportunities I had.

He took my advice, he didn't get the second job, and he is doing much better
Good for you, good for him. It doesn't always work out that way.


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How is it not being blessed? Easy, I had the experience and the qualifications necessary to find a job in a downed economy, sure, being laid off for only 10 days was pretty lucky, or as you call it blessed, but during those 10 days I also spent 8 hours a day looking for a job, outside of the multiple interviews I had each day, and the networking i did on my own. Blessed nothing, hard work.
Ok, What happens if you didn't quaulify? Woudl you have the same tone if you couldn't find a job?


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No, it isn't wrong, but a closedminded doo gooder like yourself would think so, because it actually takes hard work, something people like you don't want everyont o have to do.
Oh noes, Don't call me a doo gooder. I work just as hard as you do. I realize that some people are working at getting better but still need help. At the moment one of those ways is government aid. Ideally, I'd like to see that go away too. I'm just being realistic. I'm not the closed minded one. You're the one that won't even think about anything but "If you don't work hard, tough crap" and only look at how YOU made it. You You You. Not everone is you, not everything works out the same way it did for you.

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I'm done with this thread, you're clearly on the opposite side of the fence, one where lazy people who don't want to work for anything hang out. You can do what you want with your money, and I'll do what I want with mine (which includes charity and donation when I can) but its by MY choice, not by being overtaxed just to give to some lazy ass.
There is no fence. There is only a wall that you've put up to protect You. You occasionally throw money over it but still don't want to actually understand the rest of us on the other side. You yell from the top of the wall "Just work harder! I did!" But don't do anything to help. Maybe throw some money over the top agian, but there are no doors on your wall because you don't want to get actually have to interact or understand other people. Keep yelling from your wall. Just keep in mind that if you ever need help no body will be able to get to you because there is no way in or out of the walls you've built around your self.
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I will sit here on my couch and wait for the Lord to provide.

I hope be brings me a cheeseburger soon, I'm hungry.
Actually, in many instances, the bible teaches that you dont' get food unless you work. It was common for farmers to leave a cetain amount of thier land unharvested so people could come and harvest it them selves. They had to work for it though. So you may have to get off the couch and make one. But.....Now I'm hungry too.


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The government should FORCE us to give even out of poverty? Oh thats right, people are inherently evil and wont give. Well unless they go to your church or believe in your God, right?
Where is your faith in mankind to do the right thing and not judge people?
No, I never said the government should. Re-read it. I think we should give out of poverty. Not be forced to give out of poverty. It's about realizing what we've been blessed with and wanting to give out of that blessing. Not to make some guy in a suit happy.
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There is a limit to even this thinking. LIfe is tough sometimes and no matter how much you cut things you 'don't need' you can get to a point of either not eating food or paying rent. Obviously, you haven't been in that situtaion and wouldn't understand.




There are people, weather you want to admit it or not, that have made as many changes as they could but just haven't been blessed the way you have.



Good for you, good for him. It doesn't always work out that way.




Ok, What happens if you didn't quaulify? Woudl you have the same tone if you couldn't find a job?




Oh noes, Don't call me a doo gooder. I work just as hard as you do. I realize that some people are working at getting better but still need help. At the moment one of those ways is government aid. Ideally, I'd like to see that go away too. I'm just being realistic. I'm not the closed minded one. You're the one that won't even think about anything but "If you don't work hard, tough crap" and only look at how YOU made it. You You You. Not everone is you, not everything works out the same way it did for you.



There is no fence. There is only a wall that you've put up to protect You. You occasionally throw money over it but still don't want to actually understand the rest of us on the other side. You yell from the top of the wall "Just work harder! I did!" But don't do anything to help. Maybe throw some money over the top agian, but there are no doors on your wall because you don't want to get actually have to interact or understand other people. Keep yelling from your wall. Just keep in mind that if you ever need help no body will be able to get to you because there is no way in or out of the walls you've built around your self.
Holy shit you are fucking ignorant.

You know NOTHING about my personal life, my financial life, and the decisions and sacrifices I have made. You clearly ignored half of what I posted or you wouldn't have posted such drivvle.

I've lived paycheck to paycheck, I've lived months behind in my bills, and I've sacrificed, to be where I am today.

I don't need to give you the details of the struggles I went through, but for you to assume that I didn't and I was just magically blessed is fucking ignorant.
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Holy shit you are fucking ignorant.

You know NOTHING about my personal life, my financial life, and the decisions and sacrifices I have made. You clearly ignored half of what I posted or you wouldn't have posted such drivvle.

I've lived paycheck to paycheck, I've lived months behind in my bills, and I've sacrificed, to be where I am today.

I don't need to give you the details of the struggles I went through, but for you to assume that I didn't and I was just magically blessed is fucking ignorant.
I read what you put but your attitude you portray says more. Not everybody is you. Not everybody is in the same situation.
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I read what you put but your attitude you portray says more. Not everybody is you. Not everybody is in the same situation.
you're right my attitude comes from someone who potentially could have lost it all and had nothing, but I didnt.

, not everyone is me, I could have just as easily gave up and been a lazy ass. But I chose not to. I could hav ejust as easily allowed my truck to be repo'd, but I didn't, I figured it out, I COuld have just as easily let my landlord evict me, but I didn't, I could have just as easily gave up and went on governemnt assistance, but I didnt.

Instead I continued to work my ass off, cut all the unnecessary bullshit out and worked hard.

From the outside I'd venture to say that 99% of my friends didn't know I was flat out broke and in danger of losing everything i owned. 3 years later I am back on my feet, working, own a home and am saving towards my future.

Not sitting around on my fucking EBT.
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you're right my attitude comes from someone who potentially could have lost it all and had nothing, but I didnt.

, not everyone is me, I could have just as easily gave up and been a lazy ass. But I chose not to. I could hav ejust as easily allowed my truck to be repo'd, but I didn't, I figured it out, I COuld have just as easily let my landlord evict me, but I didn't, I could have just as easily gave up and went on governemnt assistance, but I didnt.

Instead I continued to work my ass off, cut all the unnecessary bullshit out and worked hard.

From the outside I'd venture to say that 99% of my friends didn't know I was flat out broke and in danger of losing everything i owned. 3 years later I am back on my feet, working, own a home and am saving towards my future.

Not sitting around on my fucking EBT.
If you turn the EBT on edge before you sit on it, it feels much better than laying it flat.
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