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Old February 14th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #21
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Yeah, sounds like a great idea.....


I'm all for capital punishment, but we are already taking someones life, it should be done quickly, and as painless as possible. You know that whole no cruel and unusual punishment thing....
The guy was convicted of capital murder, he should have no rights.

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Old February 14th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #22
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SHOULD and reality are too different things.

It's not about rights. It's about morality. It's not "treat the person the way they treated you" it's "treat others the way you want to be treated". What they did does not define what you do.

We don't want them to do what they did agian and, in some cases, the punishment is death. Is it really that big of a difference to brutally murder someone if it's legal then Illegal? No. It's not.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 08:49 PM   #23
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We don't want them to do what they did agian and, in some cases, the punishment is death. Is it really that big of a difference to brutally murder someone if it's legal then Illegal? No. It's not.
I dont care about legal or illegal. If they brutally murder someone then it is the right thing to do to take them out. Legal can mean whatever you want if you have enough money. Just because something is legal doesnt make it right.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 09:52 PM   #24
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I dont care about legal or illegal. If they brutally murder someone then it is the right thing to do to take them out. Legal can mean whatever you want if you have enough money. Just because something is legal doesnt make it right.
This is where I agree. We should take them out. I don't agree that it should be brutal though. Quick and simple. Which is the reason they can't use expired drugs. It's wrong to torture the person before they die. No matter what they did. Putting those (expired) drugs into them would do just that, torture them. It's an emotional issue and I get why people think that way. It's just a matter of being civil or stooping down to the level they were at.
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brutal? maybe. cheap? yes.

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Old February 14th, 2011, 10:37 PM   #26
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The fact of the matter is that capital punishment is ALWAYS more expensive than locking somebody up for 30 years.
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The fact of the matter is that capital punishment is ALWAYS more expensive than locking somebody up for 30 years.
I'm guessing that's because they get locked up for 20-30 years before being put to death.
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I'm guessing that's because they get locked up for 20-30 years before being put to death.
Nope, its because there has to be another trial, and trials aren't cheap.
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It's wrong to torture the person before they die. No matter what they did.
Says who?

It is fine by me and I would suspect many others. We are way too soft on these assholes. That is why they have no fear. If they knew they would be boiled to death inside a bronze bull they might think twice about doing some off these things.

There is no way that method is more expensive than housing them for 20-30 years. A few gallons of gas = <$15. 1 cord of wood is <$100.
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The fact of the matter is that capital punishment is ALWAYS more expensive than locking somebody up for 30 years.
Doesn't have to be that way though.

In some countries, as soon as you're convicted you are taken into the next room and offed.

Here, they are on death row for a couple of decades wasting resources, having more trials and constant appeals.

I see the pitfalls of capital punishment, but with my eye for an eye type of morality I have a hard time not supporting it.

If one of my family members was ever killed, raped, tortured, etc. I would not want the government to kill the perpetrator. I would want to do the honors myself.
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Says who?

It is fine by me and I would suspect many others. We are way too soft on these assholes. That is why they have no fear. If they knew they would be boiled to death inside a bronze bull they might think twice about doing some off these things.

There is no way that method is more expensive than housing them for 20-30 years. A few gallons of gas = <$15. 1 cord of wood is <$100.
The founding fathers for one, that's who

What you are discribing is not justice. It's revenge. You can't force people do act differently. They'll still do bad things. By killing them brutally you're just stooping down to thier level. You're no different then them by being ok with brutally murdering someone regardless of what they did. It's still brutal and cruel murder.

I guess you also believe that nobody can change right? They can't be remorseful for what they did? One more example why I'm glad people that share your view don't run the country.
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What you are describing is not justice. It's revenge. You can't force people do act differently. They'll still do bad things. By killing them brutally you're just stooping down to their level. You're no different then them by being ok with brutally murdering someone regardless of what they did. It's still brutal and cruel murder.

I guess you also believe that nobody can change right? They can't be remorseful for what they did? One more example why I'm glad people that share your view don't run the country.
What is kind killing? Bullet to the head?
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What you are discribing is not justice. It's revenge. By killing them brutally you're just stooping down to thier level. You're no different then them by being ok with brutally murdering someone regardless of what they did. It's still brutal and cruel murder.
Justice or revenge, it does not matter to me what you call it. It's what they deserve for what they did. Whats wrong with revenge?



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I didn't say people cant change or be remorseful. Does that make their victim less dead or less raped or less tortured? Nope. Once they do these horrible acts to an INNOCENT person they lose their chance at changing or being remorseful.

If more people with my views ran this country we wouldnt be in the shape we are in. Good people have to live in fear of these animals because people that think like you are too soft on criminals. I bet you think inmates need more amenities so they can have a better quality of life.
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Not with your actual words. But it seems like most of you guys would probably think you're better then a person who deserves a death sentence.

If you feel like they should die a horrible painful death then are you really any different then they are except you haven't actually done it to them?
you are right, I do think I am better than the person who deserves the death sentence, I didn't kill, rape, molest, etc. anyone.

Yeah I am different, I didn't do the crime, I knew the consequences and didn't choose to do something so dispicable.

I didn't do anything to anyone, they did. They should be punished for that. duh
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you are right, I do think I am better than the person who deserves the death sentence, I didn't kill, rape, molest, etc. anyone.

Yeah I am different, I didn't do the crime, I knew the consequences and didn't choose to do something so dispicable.

I didn't do anything to anyone, they did. They should be punished for that. duh
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you are right, I do think I am better than the person who deserves the death sentence, I didn't kill, rape, molest, etc. anyone.

Yeah I am different, I didn't do the crime, I knew the consequences and didn't choose to do something so dispicable.

I didn't do anything to anyone, they did. They should be punished for that. duh
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In my little world where none of this is reality, once you murder someone your give up your rights.

You are then either killed by the way you killed your victims or you are used as a science experiment or if the victims family chooses to do so, put down humanely.

Yes, I am better than some shithead on death row because he murdered someone. Everyone on this board is better than that person. All men are created equally but that doesn't mean they stay that way.

There are too many people like you L4CX, bleeding hearts that make this more difficult than it is. These people are trash and the trash needs to be taken out.
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I didn't say people cant change or be remorseful. Does that make their victim less dead or less raped or less tortured? Nope. Once they do these horrible acts to an INNOCENT person they lose their chance at changing or being remorseful.
I didn't realize that in order to be on death row that the victim had to be innocent...

If I trusted my Government instead of fearing it then perhaps my thoughts might be more similarly aligned with yours.

As for the problem with revenge - the wild west syndrome is not civilized behavior. If capital punishment is performed soley for revenge - then it's just a short step from allowing as some of you hilljacks would prefer, the victim's family doling out punishment and/or lynch-mobs. Which in turn is only a small step from conviction without a true trial by your peers - or can easily be seen in the mid-east in radical islamic countries where capital punishment includes barbarism such as stoning...

Is our criminal justice system perfect? Hell no. However, would you rather live in the wild west and/or the mid-east?

Regardless, smarter people than all of GL combined with designations and initials after their names have argued the deterrent effect of capital punishment forever.

Gang bangers don't fear capital punishment of any kind - nor do they fear death by their enemies on the streets, or in prison.

People that have committed crimes of passion, by definition are not thinking of consequences - yet can still be convicted of premeditated murder which theoretically is a capital offense in most States.

People so fucked up as to be a serial killer like Dahmer are also obviously not deterred by getting caught/punished.
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