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Old August 29th, 2006, 01:57 PM   #1
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Gov. Granholm announces fund to help add E85, biodiesel pumps
Associated Press Newswires 08/29/06
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LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Gov. Jennifer Granholm announced Tuesday that the state is setting aside $250,000 to help service station owners convert gasoline pumps to alternative fuel pumps.

The governor said she hopes the new grants will lead to 1,000 pumps being installed or converted by 2008, a 20 percent increase over the number of pumps now offering biodiesel fuel or E85, a mix of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline.

Service station owners will have to pay at least half the cost of refitting their pumps or installing new ones. Refitting costs around $5,000, while installing a new pump can cost around $18,000, said Russell Youngdahl, CEO of CleanFUELUSA, which is helping companies such as Walker-based Meijer Inc. convert their pumps.

The state is asking nonprofit groups for state projects to provide incentives to service station owners to convert or install the alternative fuel pumps.

Although states such as Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota currently have the largest number of alternative fuel pumps, "I candidly believe the next frontier is the eastern Corn Belt," Youngdahl said. That includes Upper Midwest states such as Michigan, Illinois and Indiana.

Nationwide, about 4 million vehicles now on the road can use E85 or gasoline. Most owners use unleaded gasoline because of the scarcity of stations selling E85. Many trucks now using diesel can use biodiesel, a blend of diesel fuel and various products such as vegetable oil.

This is the second round in a series of grants being made available by the state. In July, NextEnergy received a $62,500 grant to provide the first round of grants to service stations. The initial grants are expected to be awarded in September.
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Why,.........what the "______________" for. I don't want my tax money set aside to put in new pumps.
Make the stations pay for it, or pull their license.

I'm sick of paying for someones "grand" Idea.
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I just bought a FFV truck... bring on the E85 (and make it cheaper too!!!!)
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i,m shure all the peps with jobs will really care
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Why does my tax money have to pay for pumps for someone else? If we are paying for the pumps, then lower the costs. Another election time ploy that looks good on paper.

Hey jenni, want to impress me? Keep your hands, and the sos office hands off motorcycle safety money. It doe NOT belong in the general funds.

granholm, just more Canadian trash dumped in MI !
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Okay, so I'm in a state that elected a damn movie star from outside the US as Governator, but I'm very interested in the Michigan political scene as well. I'd rather not have to move to Chicago to find a job.

So what are the estimated repercussions of this? Sounds like a couple jobs being created to install this junk, then there will be more sales of these E85 and BioDiesel cars... I dunno, I guess having to pay partial for it from my taxes is better than paying ALL of it through higher gas prices. Cuz I'm gonna foot the bill one way or another right? Why not use it from the taxes I've already paid; instead of funding purple-three-toed frog mating studies?

I've heard a lot of bad things about Granholm... but she started out DEEP in the hole, it's going to take ANYONE a while to climb out.
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I've heard a lot of bad things about Granholm... but she started out DEEP in the hole, it's going to take ANYONE a while to climb out.
So why wait until 3 years later to start climbing??

By the way, you from MI, or just another left coaster thinking the rest of us actually care how you do it in california.
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IT IS A GOOD THING SHE WILL BE OUT OF OFFICE SOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just another ploy for the government to continue to support big oil companies while making the average tax payer think they are helping the environment and lowering our dependence on foreign oil. Ethanol does nothing to reduce the amount of oil we use. Ethanol requires nearly as much energy to create as it produces. So in the end, we don't use any less oil. It is just burned by farmers instead of directly by people in their cars. But, we all feel better... Go Jenny. Stupid, ignorant Bitch.
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I hope you didn't buy that truck special, just to run E85?
I've been running E85 in my 92 Ford all summer, works great in the Mud with the extra octane.

Nothin "Jenni from the Canadian block" does now will help her campaign.
Unless she ...............never mind!
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Just another ploy for the government to continue to support big oil companies while making the average tax payer think they are helping the environment and lowering our dependence on foreign oil. Ethanol does nothing to reduce the amount of oil we use. Ethanol requires nearly as much energy to create as it produces. So in the end, we don't use any less oil. It is just burned by farmers instead of directly by people in their cars. But, we all feel better... Go Jenny. Stupid, ignorant Bitch.
I know your an energy man... but wouldn't production cost go down as it becomes more mainstream? Wouldn't they find more efficient ways to refine it as they have to refine more of it? I am sure when gasoline engines were first introduced gasoline wasn't all that cheap to refine either, but we have 100 years of refining it under out belts now...
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I just bought a FFV truck... bring on the E85 (and make it cheaper too!!!!)

Meijer at Lohr Rd and Ann Arbor-Saline is installing an E85 pump.
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I hope you didn't buy that truck special, just to run E85?
I've been running E85 in my 92 Ford all summer, works great in the Mud with the extra octane.

Nothin "Jenni from the Canadian block" does now will help her campaign.
Unless she ...............never mind!

Really? What's your VIN so I can make sure I don't buy your vehicle or its driveline when it fails?
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Ethanol does nothing to reduce the amount of oil we use. Ethanol requires nearly as much energy to create as it produces. So in the end, we don't use any less oil. It is just burned by farmers instead of directly by people in their cars. But, we all feel better... Go Jenny. Stupid, ignorant Bitch.

Exactly. Ethanol is played off on reducing the dependency on foreign oil when it uses just as much oil to produce it.
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So why wait until 3 years later to start climbing??

By the way, you from MI, or just another left coaster thinking the rest of us actually care how you do it in california.
Yes, from Michigan.

So who should take office? I was home in July on leave, not impressed with any of the contenders. Ya'll got about 3 years left to straighten the damn state out... I'll need a JOB!
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Exactly. Ethanol is played off on reducing the dependency on foreign oil when it uses just as much oil to produce it.

This is actually a common misconception. The initial startup deployment of e-85 fuel does utilize fossil fuels primarily for the production because we are not utilizing e-85 to self produce it at this time due to the high demand to get the fuel to market. Remember that MTBE was outlawed as a fuel mix in May and that ethanol has to be used in convention fuel mixing as well as for e-85. Therefore, the demand is much too high for supply to provide for its own self production as well as the consumer market.
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Yes, from Michigan.

So who should take office? I was home in July on leave, not impressed with any of the contenders. Ya'll got about 3 years left to straighten the damn state out... I'll need a JOB!

Well, if you are in Twenty Nine Palms where I think you might be, you have the job now that we all thank you for. Way things are going, stay in. I don't think it will much matter who is in office, the state is going down fast. Need to get the House and Senate to act, it is not a one person show in Government.
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Just another ploy for the government to continue to support big oil companies while making the average tax payer think they are helping the environment and lowering our dependence on foreign oil. Ethanol does nothing to reduce the amount of oil we use. Ethanol requires nearly as much energy to create as it produces. So in the end, we don't use any less oil. It is just burned by farmers instead of directly by people in their cars. But, we all feel better... Go Jenny. Stupid, ignorant Bitch.

show me another fuel source that takes less energy to produce, distribute and consume....................
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