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Old January 26th, 2011, 12:54 AM   #1
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i have an old western not sure of model or year. but i have the light mount and stuff on my truck i know the electric motor is good cuz i jump the main power for it and the motor runs and the hyd. ram moves up.the ploblem i m having is wiring it to the sylonoid. it is a joystick lever so it has the 2 cable left/right and one blck wiring coming from that... then the electric motor has a main ground big wire. and a main power big red wire. so i hook the red to the noid and the other post to the battery. then it says to run the blck wire from the controller to one of the smaller post on the noid. and i do but i get nothing i was wondering if any one has done this and am i wrong? also i am using a regular ford sylonoid. will that not work? thanx for the help
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Old January 26th, 2011, 08:43 AM   #2
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Old January 26th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #3
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Make sure that your controller is making contact inside the control box. I have seen where you have to push it up, down. side to side hard to make a good contact. Those old western style controllers tend to wear out. All the cables do is open a valve to direct fluid.
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Old January 26th, 2011, 05:22 PM   #4
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ok ill check but whats is the correct way to run all the wires?
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Old January 27th, 2011, 06:30 AM   #5
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The ground goes from the pump to the battery, The power from the battery goes to the noid, run a power wire from noid to pump. then hook up the little black wire from controller to the noid. should be good to go.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #6
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what if the ground is just grounded to the light bar is that a good enough ground or no i can jump the + from the pump to the barrety and the motor turns but its like it not strong enough to lift the plow off the ground is it a bad ground or weak/low fluid or just a weak motor?
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Old January 28th, 2011, 04:42 AM   #7
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I used to fix these all the time. the problem is the controller can't take any current. it can just make ground. the best way I found was to add a 20 amp relay in line to the solenoid. that way it takes the heat and wear. also the ground in the controller doesn't fry the head piece.

the solenoid needs power to the small terminal. the control can't make power only ground. the relay can have a power line run through it to the solenoid. then all you do is hook the trigger wire from the relay to the power & ground( your control stick). when you trip the relay it powers the solinod. the second small terminal on the solenoid is left over from point ignition days. its a power out. don't hook anything to it

if you look at the relay of your choice most have a normal open or closed position. wire it so the controller is the ground on the circuit, that makes the coil pull shut from a normally open position. when you move the handle to lift or turn it should fire the relay.

secondly the cables have to tweaked to match the function of the motor. if its off even a little it will dick with you.

thirdly the little pocket with the cover where the cables attach pack with white grease. if not they fill with water and freeze

http://www.bcae1.com/relays.htm



when you get the relay you can follow the diagrams in this page to figure out the wiring. its easy as pie.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 07:53 AM   #8
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also make sure you are using a Western solenoid. It is not a ford solenoid. it needs to ground to operate..
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Old January 28th, 2011, 07:59 AM   #9
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You need to get a plow selenoid as they are activated by the ground circut. A normal ford selenoid is activated by the positive circut.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 12:34 PM   #10
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ok thanx guys its my first plow and a drunk guy down the road said it was a regular ford solenoid. but ill be looking for one of those would carquest have one?
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Old January 28th, 2011, 02:14 PM   #11
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ok thanx guys its my first plow and a drunk guy down the road said it was a regular ford solenoid. but ill be looking for one of those would carquest have one?
they should, if not they have a plow parts book to look them up in.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 10:59 PM   #13
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ok cool thanx guys i picked up a plow solenoid today its a one wire connection and ill be putting it on tomarrow to see if all is well. i know my electric motor is weak or its due to a bad ground but it would lift the plow off the ground but will angle left and right just fine. or it could be the old fluid in it any ideas?
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Old January 29th, 2011, 10:39 AM   #14
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if you look at the diagram from the link above. there is an adjustment to the lift and down speed. its on the back side of the pump facing the grill.
secondly the Western pumps only last 2-3 years. the pump housing is aluminum and they wear out fast compared to others. its easy to change but they arn't cheap
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Old January 29th, 2011, 10:55 AM   #15
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here's my snow plow rig

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Old January 29th, 2011, 12:24 PM   #16
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thats awsome jim and this looks like an old ass housing like its gotta be from the 80sand i went and baught a 31 dollor solonoid and it still dont work...wtf... so i went and wired a toggle switch to a ford solonoid just to run the motor. redneck but it does work now. the motor does work i must have freed it up when i was playing with the controls. now i just need to adjust my shoes and the chain to the right level.gunna return the solonoid and get me some gas yay. i still need to make a mount for my control in the cab but thats the easy part. thanx to every one that gave me some info.
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as I tried to explain earlier the solenoids available all come as positive + applies. there is no ground operated solenoids. even in the western manual they show you how to create one from scratch.
the post I made about using the relay to make it work is the most reliable and the safest to keep from making more work out of what you have. plus you can use any Ford style solenoid.
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Old January 29th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #18
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a regular solonoid wouldnt work how it was ment to work either would the plow solonoid so there control wire must have a bad spot in the wire but anyways i bypassed all that head ache and just ran a toggle witch. it is right on my joystick handle so i can use it just fine with one hand and its just as easy but it isnt factory but fukc it. its working and making me cash. thanx
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