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Old December 8th, 2005, 01:54 PM   #1
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a salaried person just told me this....

"the less work I do in a day, it drives up the rate per hour I make, and thus feels like I got a raise..."

nice eh? :ugh:
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Old December 8th, 2005, 01:55 PM   #2
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salary or hourly doesn't determine if they are ignorant or not... they can be found both places
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:02 PM   #3
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Yup, thats just an idiot. They come in hourly and salaried versions..



I work more than 40 hours a week most weeks, sometimes 60-65, sometimes saturdays and sundays...

still get paid the same amount...
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:05 PM   #4
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That's right. You become a more expensive resource for the company, therefore more expendable.

That thinking will only lead to unemployment. But then I guess he could get paid $0.50 an hour to sit an watch his TV, so maybe then he'd be getting the best pay rate. :miff:
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:19 PM   #5
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Yep, those people can be found everywhere... Even at my company I hear.. In fact, a couple guys are getting the axe next week... Of course, right before x-mas bonus time.. I figure they have drained enough money from us, by bitching, moaning, and not working very hard on the sites..
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:23 PM   #6
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I'm very much aware that they exist in many places in this world.

Interesting that it was said, after a 4 hour "course" in meyers/briggs personality assessment training junk.

even more interesting, is that it's a peak into how jaded some very hard working people have gotten in this place.

this individual has been here for 20 years, and has always given 110%

he worked 70 hours the week we got nailed with the virus, and a lot of the time, like me is multi-tasking to the extreme, with dual monitor set up, and a couple of dozen servers remoted into, each running various processes that are flaky enough to require babysitting - at the same time he's invariabley coding in xml, or scripting something.

he, like a lot of us need a vacation stat.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:40 PM   #7
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Was it Sol Goode that said it?...lol...sounds like something he would say!
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:47 PM   #8
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Was it Sol Goode that said it?...lol...sounds like something he would say!
nope :)
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Old December 8th, 2005, 02:56 PM   #9
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Yep, those people can be found everywhere... Even at my company I hear.. In fact, a couple guys are getting the axe next week... Of course, right before x-mas bonus time.. I figure they have drained enough money from us, by bitching, moaning, and not working very hard on the sites..
So you'll be looking for a new job?
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Old December 8th, 2005, 03:26 PM   #10
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Yep, those people can be found everywhere... Even at my company I hear.. In fact, a couple guys are getting the axe next week... Of course, right before x-mas bonus time.. I figure they have drained enough money from us, by bitching, moaning, and not working very hard on the sites..
Well, I know this is none of my business, but I hope this doesn't come as a surprise to them. Jack Welch always said that an employee should never be surprised to hear they are fired. There should always be communication of poor performance before they are cut lose. Just my .02.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 03:50 PM   #11
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Well, I know this is none of my business, but I hope this doesn't come as a surprise to them. Jack Welch always said that an employee should never be surprised to hear they are fired. There should always be communication of poor performance before they are cut lose. Just my .02.
What does jack welch know about business? :tonka:

Yeah, this would be one guys 3rd "talk" and another guys multiple timed talk.. After having conversations with these people, I tell them that the job market is about null, (for electricians, IBEW has 4000+ sitting on the bench right now), that nobody else offers healthcare like we do, that the bosses here are all cool, and everybody gets along..

Well, it seems to work for about a week.. then reports from the field tell me that their lazyness returns..

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Old December 8th, 2005, 05:47 PM   #12
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I have a neighbor who is a machinist. He points out to me, on a regular basis, that I'm a fool for working a salaried position. He's always smirking about how the slower he works the more money he makes via OT. He says the trick is to work fast enough so as not to get fired but slow enough to ensure OT. :miff:
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Old December 9th, 2005, 12:40 AM   #13
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this all reminds of this kid we workin at Midas over the summer... i wanted to kill this kid... Boss's son so we had to be nice to him... Didnt know crap about cars.. was supposed to be cleaning the shop, instead when HE DID work he decided to play Mr. Mechanic and i got all of his come backs, then i got the joyful duties of doin his slack job cleaning jobs, so i stand up to my boss about it one day and almost lose my job for "mouthing off" Guess he didnt like to hear that his son was "a pain in the ass who didnt do his job and always was in the way" but yet he made more hourly pay than even the head mechanic who'd been there for 16 yrs!
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Old December 9th, 2005, 06:18 AM   #14
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one of the reasons to never work in the same field as the bosses kids. worked with many at dealer and they skimmed all the gravey work. then the shit jobs got dumped on me. when I turned the shit in to gravey then they wanted it back.
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Old December 9th, 2005, 06:59 AM   #15
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Well, it seems to work for about a week.. then reports from the field tell me that their lazyness returns..

That really sux. Good luck, it is never easy to let someone go, especially before the holidays.
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Old December 9th, 2005, 07:53 AM   #16
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That really sux. Good luck, it is never easy to let someone go, especially before the holidays.
we just got rid of 3 and havent paid one of our consultants in 4 monthes or so now. its actually kinda... realaxing.
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Old December 9th, 2005, 08:06 AM   #17
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What does jack welch know about business? :tonka:

Yeah, this would be one guys 3rd "talk" and another guys multiple timed talk.. After having conversations with these people, I tell them that the job market is about null, (for electricians, IBEW has 4000+ sitting on the bench right now), that nobody else offers healthcare like we do, that the bosses here are all cool, and everybody gets along..

Well, it seems to work for about a week.. then reports from the field tell me that their lazyness returns..

When you fire them DO NOT give them any reasoning other than that their services are no longer needed. Never fire them and state it was due to poor performance, even if you have documented proof that they sucked. If they decide to sue you for wrongful termination, you must be able to back that statement up with actual stats and facts. If you simply say they are no longer needed, then there is nothing that they can come back on you for. The less you give them to fight with, the better off you will be in the long run.
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Old December 9th, 2005, 08:16 AM   #18
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When you fire them DO NOT give them any reasoning other than that their services are no longer needed. Never fire them and state it was due to poor performance, even if you have documented proof that they sucked. If they decide to sue you for wrongful termination, you must be able to back that statement up with actual stats and facts. If you simply say they are no longer needed, then there is nothing that they can come back on you for. The less you give them to fight with, the better off you will be in the long run.
ahh but then you cant fill their position in for a certain period of time...

documentation is key. if you can prove it, its very very easy.

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Old December 9th, 2005, 09:06 AM   #19
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I dont have that trouble with any of my people. They come in early when need be and stay late often. I see them playing around on the internet sometimes but I don't complain because they work free overtime and their billable hours are solid.

Oh yeah, and because I do it too
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Old December 9th, 2005, 12:19 PM   #20
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I guess everybodies experience is different.

Where I work one guy pissed off the client and got caught on the internet too often, so they moved (advanced) him to a different project. Another guy got written up for not doing any work and for slapping another employee in the head (more than once), so they moved him to a calibration job. Another guy spent 70% of his time on the internet, wore a baseball cap to the office and never tucked in his shirt or tied his shoes so he now has a job which is much more independant and has a future. The latest one is a dude who spends just under half the workday sleeping in the cars we run test schedules on. He will be leaving this department for another with a raise on Monday.

My reward for doing steady work, not pissing off the customer, having almost 10 years experience and a post-secondary degree, and trying to act professional while on the job is to rot in this position getting a 2% raise each april for the past three years.

So you see, work ethic often doesnt lead to success. Sometimes you have to be the right kind of douchebag in order to make it...
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