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Old January 20th, 2011, 02:43 PM   #41
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So, what don't you "agree" with, about a person who is born with the wrong equipment? A trans-sexual person is mentally one gender, but physically another gender.

Do you not "agree" with people being born with both sex organs?
I'm not fully understanding what you're asking. We apparently have different views on how biology works.

I don't personally think it's possible to have a twig and berries but "mentally" be a female. You either have the right set of hormones or you don't, and usually those hormones stimulate the growth of sexual organs.

So, I guess I don't agree with the mindset or the lifestyle of saying I want to be a male and you have surgery to accomplish that. I can't understand that choice, but people are free to do it if they please.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 02:44 PM   #42
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His (wolverine 00 xj) post was 100% correct. The fact that you chose to dismiss it just because you dont like abe's views does not make it less true.
You also have no clue how the real world works. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I was giving him a break, you should know better.

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Old January 20th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #43
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So, what don't you "agree" with, about a person who is born with the wrong equipment? A trans-sexual person is mentally one gender, but physically another gender.


Do you not "agree" with people being born with both sex organs? What is the proper lifestyle for them, according to you, ahem, that would be "agreeable" for you?
If you're born with a dick you're a man and that's that. If you're born with a vagina you're a female. You make it sound like someone could mentally be a gorilla if they wanted to. That's not how it works from my understanding of things. If you have the hormones to be a male, everything else follows suit.

I don't believe you can mentally be one thing and be another thing physically. What determines mentally whether you are female or not? What hobbies you like? What you like to do?

These transgendered types even after surgery still have to pursue hormone therapy which means they aren't "mentally" one thing or another.

Have I answered your question enough or should I throw some more quotation marks in there?
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Old January 20th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #44
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I'm not fully understanding what you're asking. We apparently have different views on how biology works.

I don't personally think it's possible to have a twig and berries but "mentally" be a female. You either have the right set of hormones or you don't, and usually those hormones stimulate the growth of sexual organs.

So, I guess I don't agree with the mindset or the lifestyle of saying I want to be a male and you have surgery to accomplish that. I can't understand that choice, but people are free to do it if they please.
Excuse me, I've been using the wrong term. The term is trans-gender. Things happen. People are sometimes born differently. There are people who are born with both sex organs and identify with either male or female, so why couldn't a person be born with with one set of sex organs, but identify with the opposite sex. Stuff happens. What don't you agree with about them, is what I'm getting at? Are you ok with transgender people as long as they don't get re-assignment surgery and pretend to be the gender that they are physically?

I'm just not understanding how you say that you don't agree with a person's lifestyle based on something they are born with. It's like saying you don't agree with a person with autism's lifestyle...it's not really something they picked.
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Excuse me, I've been using the wrong term. The term is trans-gender. Things happen. People are sometimes born differently. There are people who are born with both sex organs and identify with either male or female, so why couldn't a person be born with with one set of sex organs, but identify with the opposite sex. Stuff happens. What don't you agree with about them, is what I'm getting at? Are you ok with transgender people as long as they don't get re-assignment surgery and pretend to be the gender that they are physically?

I'm just not understanding how you say that you don't agree with a person's lifestyle based on something they are born with. It's like saying you don't agree with a person with autism's lifestyle...it's not really something they picked.
Look, I don't agree with the fact that it's possible. Comparing it to autism isn't feasible.

I don't believe you can mentally be a female, gorilla, lizard, whatever, and physically have different parts. But, if you want to have a cock instead of a vagina, have at it I could care less. I just don't agree with the act of doing it, no different than I agree with people that want botox, breast implants, etc.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 02:59 PM   #46
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If you're born with a dick you're a man and that's that. If you're born with a vagina you're a female. You make it sound like someone could mentally be a gorilla if they wanted to. That's not how it works from my understanding of things. If you have the hormones to be a male, everything else follows suit.

I don't believe you can mentally be one thing and be another thing physically. What determines mentally whether you are female or not? What hobbies you like? What you like to do?

These transgendered types even after surgery still have to pursue hormone therapy which means they aren't "mentally" one thing or another.

Have I answered your question enough or should I throw some more quotation marks in there?
So, because you're ignorant of other possibilities, that's the way it is...?

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http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...here-out-there

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So, because you're ignorant of other possibilities, that's the way it is...?

You believe someone can mentally be a female but physically be a male. I don't. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

What is so damn hard to understand about that?
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You also have no clue how the real world works.
Really? Please explain to me how it works old wise one.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 03:13 PM   #49
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So, because you're ignorant of other possibilities, that's the way it is...?

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http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...here-out-there
Ok, so if you're a girl and a tomboy, you should go get a penis? That's what you believe?

Scientifically being male or female means having the physical parts, and the hormones. You're focusing on personality, and someone's CHOICE on what they want to be.
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It's like saying you don't agree with a person with autism's lifestyle...it's not really something they picked.
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I don't believe you can mentally be a female, gorilla, lizard, whatever, and physically have different parts. But, if you want to have a cock instead of a vagina, have at it I could care less. I just don't agree with the act of doing it, no different than I agree with people that want botox, breast implants, etc.
I guess if we all thought they way Sova did then we wouldnt be able to classify anyone as a child molester. They are just big people who believe they are still kids. It isnt a choice they made it is the way their brain works. It isnt their fault. They are being picked on by ignorant people that can't let them live their lives the way they see themselves.
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You believe someone can mentally be a female but physically be a male. I don't. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

What is so damn hard to understand about that?
It's hard to understand because transgender people exist and gay people exist. I just don't understand why you don't believe what they are. What do you think they are, just messing with people, trying to get them to believe some big hoax? I might not be pushing it so much if it was Aber, because he has his big book of "that's a sin", but I don't think that's what you use to justify your beliefs, so I'm just trying to see where it's coming from.
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It's hard to understand because transgender people exist and gay people exist. I just don't understand why you don't believe what they are. What do you think they are, just messing with people, trying to get them to believe some big hoax? I might not be pushing it so much if it was Aber, because he has his big book of "that's a sin", but I don't think that's what you use to justify your beliefs, so I'm just trying to see where it's coming from.
I understand that they exist, but it doesn't make a whole lot of scientific sense to me. I understand it in the form that it's a personal choice, or some part of the personality that says, "Hey I like it in the ass" or "I like the color blue compared to the color pink."
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Not even close.



I guess if we all thought they way Sova did then we wouldnt be able to classify anyone as a child molester. They are just big people who believe they are still kids. It isnt a choice they made it is the way their brain works. It isnt their fault. They are being picked on by ignorant people that can't let them live their lives the way they see themselves.
seriously?
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It's hard to understand because transgender people exist and gay people exist. I just don't understand why you don't believe what they are. What do you think they are, just messing with people, trying to get them to believe some big hoax?
How about they are mentally screwed up? Is it even remotely possible this is it?
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seriously?
I am just trying to look at it through your eyes. It is just a guess. I am close aren't I?
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Oh and for the homophobes, if a transgender was in the shower with you there are good chances she would be also attracted to females and if you don't believe in transgender then really she is a woman.. so where does the whole "gay" worry come in?
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You believe someone can mentally be a female but physically be a male. I don't. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

What is so damn hard to understand about that?
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If that was an issue, then every single person joining the military would be under suspicion of being a "trans-gender".
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Old January 20th, 2011, 03:31 PM   #59
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I understand that they exist, but it doesn't make a whole lot of scientific sense to me. I understand it in the form that it's a personal choice, or some part of the personality that says, "Hey I like it in the ass" or "I like the color blue compared to the color pink."
I agree. A dyke friend of mine basically said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. You makes che choices you live by, there is no "gay gene", you are not born gay. If a dude who wears dresses and touches weiners want to enlist and serve our country, who the fukc has the right to tell him/her no? certainly not a bunch of stay at home nancy homophobic christians. IMO, people should be allowed to do as they please unless it affects my way of life.
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How about they are mentally screwed up? Is it even remotely possible this is it?
The nail has been hit on the head. There are also people that think they're gorillas, Atila the Hun, etc., just like there are males that think they're females. I'm not saying they don't have certain thoughts or feelings - who knows but them? Just because they say they have these feelings "naturally" doesn't mean they're not messed up. These poor people need help, just like the guy who thinks he's a gorilla.
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