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Old January 19th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #21
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Its not fear. Its morals.
Think about the women that will be subjected to a guy in the showers with them. Its all about pushing the gay agenda. The smallest percentage have the loudest voice and the people are bending over to appease them(no pun intended)
You know you are correct, the majority should be allowed to discriminate against the minority. What the hell was I thinking
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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:13 PM   #22
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You know you are correct, the majority should be allowed to discriminate against the minority. What the hell was I thinking
It's not about discrimination. Morality comes to mind. As a Christian(which I am) the homosexual life style is not a healthy one. We have been down this road before, it is a choice, your not born gay.
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Sweet, we can use the gays and trannys as human shields. Put em on the front line.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:33 PM   #24
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It's not about discrimination. Morality comes to mind. As a Christian(which I am) the homosexual life style is not a healthy one. We have been down this road before, it is a choice, your not born gay.
This would suggest a genetic predisposition with an environmental potentiation.

Looks like your blind faith is truly that........ blind.

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Source: JOURNAL OF SEXUAL MEDICINE Volume: 7 Issue: 10 Pages: 3245-3253 Published: OCT 2010
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Abstract: Introduction.
Debate continues on whether or not male homosexuality (MH) is a result of biological or cultural factors. The debate persists despite the fact that these two sides have different abilities to create a scientific environment to support their cause. Biological theorists produced evidence, however, that these are not always robust. On the other hand, social theorists, without direct evidence confirming their positions, criticize, with good argument, methods and results of the other side. The aim of this Controversy is to understand the reasons of both perspectives.
Methods.
Two scientists (R.B. and A.C.C.) with expertise in the area of biology of MH were asked to contribute their opinions. The nurture position is discussed by a third expert in sexology (J.B.).
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Expert opinion supported by the critical review of the currently available literature.
Result.
The role of the Controversy's editor (E.A.J.) is to highlight the strengths and weaknesses of both sides. The two experts of the biological issue answer with their data to the questions: "Is male homosexuality partly explainable by immunology?" and "How is male homosexuality a Darwinian paradox?", respectively. Genetic and immunological factors, birth order, and fertility of relatives are largely discussed. Finally, the expert sustaining the idea that culture and experiences are important determining factors in sexual orientation used a psychosocial and holistic perspective to explain his position.
Conclusions.
The JSM's readers should recognize that there are several biological factors in MH. However, these findings do not seem to be able to explain all cases of homosexuality. Some others may be due to particular environmental factors. The issue is complicated and multifactorial, suggesting that further research should be undertaken to produce the final answer to the question raised in this Controversy section. Jannini EA, Blanchard R, Camperio-Ciani A, and Bancroft J. Male homosexuality: Nature or culture? J Sex Med 2010;7:3245-3253.
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Author Keywords: Homosexuality; Nature; Culture; Nurture; Genetics; Birth Order; Hormones; Testosterone; Reparative Therapy
KeyWords Plus: MALE SEXUAL ORIENTATION; FRATERNAL BIRTH-ORDER; OLDER BROTHERS; BRAIN RESPONSE; GAY MEN; CHROMOSOME; HANDEDNESS; FECUNDITY; FEMALES; LINKAGE
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2. Univ Toronto, Ctr Addict & Mental Hlth, Law & Mental Hlth Program, Toronto, ON Canada
3. Univ Toronto, Dept Psychiat, Toronto, ON Canada
4. Univ Padua, Dept Gen Psychol, Padua, Italy
5. Kinsey Inst Res Sex Gender & Reprod, Bloomington, IN USA
E-mail Addresses: emmanuele.jannini@univaq.it
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Old January 19th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #25
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I said this when it first came up about gays serving in the military. Max Clingers would want to do the same. It did not take long.
What happens when the straight guys do not renlist and the military dwindles to very low numbers? I think its a mistake to let em in and only time will tell, at the cost of our security for this country. I would like to think that the liberals know what their doing but....
They will then impose a draft.
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Its not fear. Its morals.
Think about the women that will be subjected to a guy in the showers with them. Its all about pushing the gay agenda. The smallest percentage have the loudest voice and the people are bending over to appease them(no pun intended)
Wat? When did the military start coed showering?

Aber, you live in a world full of fear and speculated disaster. Your threads are all about what great calamity is going to happen next in politics or religion. Like I said before, it's got to suck to fear everything.
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Wat? When did the military start coed showering?
It looks like you didn't read his post carefully - it says "will" - as in future. In "transgenderism", as defined by the activists, if you're born a male, but feel you have a female "gender", then they believe you should be able to act on it - damn the rights of everyone else. That means showering with the other gals, etc. - even if you've still got your male equipment. To deny them that right is to discriminate in favor of those that, because of a biological accident, happened to have a female "gender" inside a female body. That's the crazy world in which these people live, and the one that they want to force onto everyone else. As used by the "transgender activists", being "transgendered" isn't limited to those that take the step of having surgery to physically change their sex.

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It looks like you didn't read his post carefully - it says "will" - as in future. In "transgenderism", as defined by the activists, if you're born a male, but feel you have a female "gender", then they believe you should be able to act on it - damn the rights of everyone else. That means showering with the other gals, etc. - even if you've still got your male equipment. To deny them that right is to discriminate in favor of those that, because of a biological accident, happened to have a female "gender" inside a female body. That's the crazy world in which these people live, and the one that they want to force onto everyone else. As used by the "transgender activists", being "transgendered" isn't limited to those that take the step of having surgery to physically change their sex.
I see you're new here. Read a few more months of Aber's posts and get back with me.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 10:49 AM   #29
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Well of course they did. They are doods after all...
NOT ALL are born males I know a few females.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #30
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they bleed and kill just like anyone else.
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Abe, you understand there is a difference between a gay person,a transgender person, and a pseudo-transvestite who's trying to get kicked out of the military by pretending to be crazy, right?
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I see you're new here. Read a few more months of Aber's posts and get back with me.
His (wolverine 00 xj) post was 100% correct. The fact that you chose to dismiss it just because you dont like abe's views does not make it less true.
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they bleed and kill just like anyone else.
Are you sure?
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I don't support gays or transsexuals, but who the hell cares if they serve? I'm all for supporting anyone who wants to join the military and serve our country regardless if their penis has now been filleted into a vagina or what have you.
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I don't support gays or transsexuals.
Let's look a little closer at this statement. What does it mean?
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I don't support gays or transsexuals, but who the hell cares if they serve?
Agreed mostly.

Personally I don't support the LGBT community. I really don't care if they serve as long as those they will serve along side don't care. Since I have not served it really isn't my place to decide for them who they fight along side. They know what is best for their situation.

By "they" I mean the soliders not the government making decisions for the guys doing the fighting.
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Let's look a little closer at this statement. What does it mean?
What does it matter? Is he not allowed his opinion?
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Let's look a little closer at this statement. What does it mean?
It means I don't agree with their way of life, but it doesn't mean that I think their needs to be laws limiting what they can and cannot do. To me it's no different than disagreeing with someone on abortion or a sports team. It doesn't mean I'm going to hate their guts, not be their friend, etc.
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I'm not going to rehash the whole military issue, because I know there's a whole thread on that. However, for clarification, I want to say that the question is not whether a man who wants to sodomize another man can also pull a trigger, drive a tank, fly a bomber, act courageously, etc. Clearly, many of them can. However, being in the service consists of far more than that. In the interest of full disclosure, I'll make it clear I've never been in the service. However, both my father, brother, and other relatives and friends have. And what they all say is that for the overwhelming majority of soldiers, very little of life in the army is actually made up of combat. It's almost all preparing for combat. Whatever other problems may exist in military life, at least if you have a bunch of normal guys together, they’re not going to be distracted by trying to hit on each other, get sexual favors from those under their command, be jealous of each other for sexual reasons, etc. All that changes when you add to the mix men that want to have sex with each other. Despite what the media have said, a big majority of the guys who will actually be fighting say it will harm military readiness. There are lots of other reasons homosexuals shouldn’t be in the military, but that one’s good enough for me. And just because someone hasn't been in the army doesn't mean he has no right to have an opinion on the issue; he can't speak from firsthand experience, but if something compromises our security, we're all affected.
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I'm not going to rehash the whole military issue, because I know there's a whole thread on that. However, for clarification, I want to say that the question is not whether a man who wants to sodomize another man can also pull a trigger, drive a tank, fly a bomber, act courageously, etc. Clearly, many of them can. However, being in the service consists of far more than that. In the interest of full disclosure, I'll make it clear I've never been in the service. However, both my father, brother, and other relatives and friends have. And what they all say is that for the overwhelming majority of soldiers, very little of life in the army is actually made up of combat. It's almost all preparing for combat. Whatever other problems may exist in military life, at least if you have a bunch of normal guys together, they’re not going to be distracted by trying to hit on each other, get sexual favors from those under their command, be jealous of each other for sexual reasons, etc. All that changes when you add to the mix men that want to have sex with each other. Despite what the media have said, a big majority of the guys who will actually be fighting say it will harm military readiness. There are lots of other reasons homosexuals shouldn’t be in the military, but that one’s good enough for me. And just because someone hasn't been in the army doesn't mean he has no right to have an opinion on the issue; he can't speak from firsthand experience, but if something compromises our security, we're all affected.
i agree totally, it will harm military readiness. i myself have been in the army for a little over two years now as an infantry soldier and i read some here in this thread some one talking about fighting under fire, infantry is one of the only jobs in the service that works directly under fire. the rest sit on base and might get to go outside of the wire if thier lucky. and as far as the gays being in the military, they have always been in the service but before it was a "Dont Ask Dont Tell" policy. in my opinion gays wouldnt last in the infantry, simply bc of how they would be treated from the other soldiers. the last thing a soldier wants to think about is the fag in his platoon checkin him out when he needs to be focusing on the mission at hand. and im not a gay basher they just dont need to be serving in my opinion.

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