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Old January 17th, 2011, 02:42 PM   #1
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So whatever happened to him closing Gitmo Bay? On January 22, 2009, Obama said that the facility would be shut down within the year.

Bush sent home 550 out of 779 of the people held there. Obama has only sent home 50. As of November 2010 174 detainees remain at Guantanamo even though 75 of them are cleared for release.

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The Obama administration is preparing an executive order that would formalize indefinite detention without trial for some detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but allow those detainees and their lawyers to challenge the basis for continued incarceration, U.S. officials said.
How are his policies any different than Bush's?
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Old January 17th, 2011, 03:22 PM   #2
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His policies are not different enough to get the liberals in this country so mad that they will hold rallies just like they had for Bush.
The only difference is Bush is a Republican and Obama is a Liberal.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #3
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On Jan 7, 2011, President Obama signed the 2011
National_Defense_Authorization_Act National_Defense_Authorization_Act
which contains provisions preventing the transfer of Guantanomo prisoners to the mainland or to other foreign countries, and thus effectively stops the closure of the detention facility. However he strongly objected to the clauses and stated that he would work with Congress to oppose the measures.
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He could have NOT signed it if he opposed it. Maybe he wasn't able to control his pen.
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Obama is a lying niggar. Suprised?
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Obama is a lying niggar. Suprised?
you misspelled it
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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:54 PM   #7
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you misspelled it
I did that on purpose because the bad word filter used to convert it to "insert racial slur here".
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He could have NOT signed it if he opposed it. Maybe he wasn't able to control his pen.
Yes, he could have not signed the 1027 page bill that authorized and detailed the funding of our military for the year that this one issue was a part of. The conservatives would have been screaming bloody murder about how he was withholding money from the military just to try keep his campaign promise of closing Gitmo. Do you think that would have been better?
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Yes, he could have not signed the 1027 page bill that authorized and detailed the funding of our military for the year that this one issue was a part of.
Correct.

The bill could have been changed to delete the part he opposed.

My main point is Bush was a demon for everything he didnt do. Why is it ok for Obama to not stick to his promises and he is still great?
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The bill could have been changed to delete the part he opposed.

My main point is Bush was a demon for everything he didnt do. Why is it ok for Obama to not stick to his promises and he is still great?
Not easily. He can't do a line item veto. and changes would have to go back to congress for approval.

Who still thinks he's great? His popularity seems to have fallen.
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I didnt say easily. His job isnt supposed to be easy.
Who cares if it has to go back to congress? Again that is their job.

Yes his popularity has fallen. It is still higher than it ever should have been. He still doesnt get demonized the way Bush did.
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I didnt say easily. His job isnt supposed to be easy.
Who cares if it has to go back to congress? Again that is their job.

Yes his popularity has fallen. It is still higher than it ever should have been. He still doesnt get demonized the way Bush did.
The conservative right in this country are beyond the demonizing and name caling that the left continue to do and will always do. The left seem to think that the way to get your way is to insult the ones you oppose.
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I didnt say easily. His job isnt supposed to be easy.
Who cares if it has to go back to congress? Again that is their job.

Yes his popularity has fallen. It is still higher than it ever should have been. He still doesnt get demonized the way Bush did.
The uproar from the right over him delaying the military funding bill to get Gitmo closed would have been deafening.

I don't understand your stance on this. Do you want to see Gitmo closed? Do you think he should have withheld funding the military just to try to keep a campaign promise? I think he made the right choice. Rather than hold up the funding bill, he took one on the chin by signing something that would make it difficult to keep a campaign promise.
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You are assuming about the uproar from the right.

Do I want Gitmo closed? Not really. I am just pointing out he is no different than others before him but he seems to get a free pass on not keeping his promises.
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The uproar you talk about was the left for Bush opening and detaining prisoners that attaked us. The left was upset that people were being treated unfairly, torchered, waterboarded and so on, because it is cruel to punish somebody that was caught tring to kill Americans. The uproar was from the left, but now they are silent because a democrat is in the white house. Obama gets a pass from the left and the right will not uproar at Gitmo staying open. The left continue to hold themselves to a double standard.
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Check this out.

Make sure you read the news article at the bottom. Cliff notes is that Obama is a communist, that has been groomed by the Russians... That this was back in 1992
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Our left leaning media love the current administration and their idealism. Thats why theres no uproar. We shall see, they say history will probably treat Pres. Bush well. I wonder how well history will treat obama..... Guess it depends on who's writing it.
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You are assuming about the uproar from the right.

Do I want Gitmo closed? Not really. I am just pointing out he is no different than others before him but he seems to get a free pass on not keeping his promises.
No, I am expressing my opinion about what I think would have happened had Obama not signed that bill, and I think that he thought the same way, and that is why he signed it. He did something almost unheard of in politics these days, he compromised for the good of the country.
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No, I am expressing my opinion about what I think would have happened had Obama not signed that bill, and I think that he thought the same way, and that is why he signed it. He did something almost unheard of in politics these days, he compromised for the good of the country.
Tell me what did he compromise for the good of the country?
If he did it for the country then Bush did the same.
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The uproar you talk about was the left for Bush opening and detaining prisoners that attaked us. The left was upset that people were being treated unfairly, torchered, waterboarded and so on, because it is cruel to punish somebody that was caught tring to kill Americans. The uproar was from the left, but now they are silent because a democrat is in the white house. Obama gets a pass from the left and the right will not uproar at Gitmo staying open. The left continue to hold themselves to a double standard.
No. The uproar I was talking about was what I think would have happened had Obama refused to sign the bill funding the military for 2011 just because it contained a clause keeping Gitmo open.
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