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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:46 AM   #1
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YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS: ObamaCare Highlighted by Page Number

THE CARE BILL HB3200

THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX - HB3200 highlighted pages most egregious
Please read this..... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospitals will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."

Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls, Texas

All of the above should give you the point blank ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 09:41 AM   #2
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Kill the Bill, oops did I say KILL
I should say repeal obamacare
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Old January 17th, 2011, 10:18 AM   #3
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That is Ultra Scary.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 10:37 AM   #4
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Where are the people that said obama care was a great idea? I would love to hear from them how and why this is a good thing?


KILL the bill. and anyone that voted for this too
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Old January 17th, 2011, 11:04 AM   #5
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of course

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 11:34 AM   #6
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Where are the people that said obama care was a great idea? I would love to hear from them how and why this is a good thing?


KILL the bill. and anyone that voted for this too
Calling Mike Sova
Please tellus why this is such a great health care plan?
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Old January 17th, 2011, 01:10 PM   #7
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Yeah I thought he would like that. I am a mentally ill murderer after all.
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http://www.texasgopvote.com/blog/jud...orm-bill-03114

All these claims are false! You can read the Health form yourself from the .gov site.
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

Thena check everything this author wrote, you will find it is not on any pages of the health bill. all 1990 pages! Get your facts right people..



HR3200 is no longer up for debate. The bill passed by the House was HR3962, and the version passed by the senate (now in front of the House) is 3520.

In addition, if you read the actual text of HR3200, you will not see antything resembling the above assertions.

The bill can be obtained here
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show



I am not defending this POS bill or anything done by our government lately but fact checking is always good.
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http://www.texasgopvote.com/blog/jud...orm-bill-03114

All these claims are false! You can read the Health form yourself from the .gov site.
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

Thena check everything this author wrote, you will find it is not on any pages of the health bill. all 1990 pages! Get your facts right people..



HR3200 is no longer up for debate. The bill passed by the House was HR3962, and the version passed by the senate (now in front of the House) is 3520.

In addition, if you read the actual text of HR3200, you will not see antything resembling the above assertions.

The bill can be obtained here
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show



I am not defending this POS bill or anything done by our government lately but fact checking is always good.

All lies.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #10
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YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS: ObamaCare Highlighted by Page Number

THE CARE BILL HB3200

THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX - HB3200 highlighted pages most egregious
Please read this..... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospitals will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."

Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls, Texas

All of the above should give you the point blank ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare.
HB3200 is an old dead bill, it is not what was passed. And most of these claims are at best over exaggerations of what could result from the bill, and some are just outright lies.
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And a large majority of the people want obamacare repealed or fixed

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4499519/k...all-got-to-go/
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And a large majority of the people want obamacare repealed or fixed

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4499519/k...all-got-to-go/
He does an interesting thing with those polls, reading them differently to make them some different. both were similar, showing about 20% in favor of leaving it as is, 20-25% in favor of scrapping it completely, and the largest amount, around 50% wanting to make changes.
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He does an interesting thing with those polls, reading them differently to make them some different. both were similar, showing about 20% in favor of leaving it as is, 20-25% in favor of scrapping it completely, and the largest amount, around 50% wanting to make changes.
so 70 to 75 % of people want it changed.

repeal would be a change.

most americans did not want it in the first place.

the best health care in the world is right here. has been for many years.
anyone that thinks they can get better helth care in cuba or canada is just stupid!
why would we screw with that? its a power/money grab of epic proportions.

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so 70 to 75 % of people want it changed.

repeal would be a change.

most americans did not want it in the first place.

the best health care in the world is right here. has been for many years.
anyone that thinks they can get better helth care in cuba or canada is just stupid!
why would we screw with that? its a power/money grab of epic proportions.
And about the same number do not want to go back to what we had before, so I would question your claim that most Americans did not want it to change in the first place.

By what measure are you claiming our health care to be the best? By every measure we pay more than any other country, cover a lower percentage of our citizens than any other industrial nation, and yet are not the healthiest. Our health care may be the best for those that can afford it, but fewer and fewer can.
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And about the same number do not want to go back to what we had before, so I would question your claim that most Americans did not want it to change in the first place.

By what measure are you claiming our health care to be the best? By every measure we pay more than any other country, cover a lower percentage of our citizens than any other industrial nation, and yet are not the healthiest. Our health care may be the best for those that can afford it, but fewer and fewer can.
Health care here does cost alot of money, I know I pay about 6 hundred a month for me.
Something does need to be done about the cost and how the insurance companies charge.
If the government wants to care for the ones that do not have coverage or have a hard time paying the high costs of premiums then they could do something there. But why include the other 75 to 80% of Americans that are happy with what they have?
If what the government wants to do is so great then why is it not good enough for them to be enrolled into the same plan they want all other Americans in?
I don't trust them when they want to tax the crap out of us and say they have our best interest at heart.
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And about the same number do not want to go back to what we had before, so I would question your claim that most Americans did not want it to change in the first place.

By what measure are you claiming our health care to be the best? By every measure we pay more than any other country, cover a lower percentage of our citizens than any other industrial nation, and yet are not the healthiest. Our health care may be the best for those that can afford it, but fewer and fewer can.
Sounds like you have health care and insurance confused, kinda like Oblabla
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More reasons to kill the bill

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That video must be lies. It was a speaking.
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And about the same number do not want to go back to what we had before, so I would question your claim that most Americans did not want it to change in the first place.

By what measure are you claiming our health care to be the best? By every measure we pay more than any other country, cover a lower percentage of our citizens than any other industrial nation, and yet are not the healthiest. Our health care may be the best for those that can afford it, but fewer and fewer can.

i never said our healthcare was cheap. quality cost alot.
when health care is free you will get what you pay for, bad health care.

our health care is the best in the world. the fact that some americans are not healthy is often their choice. you and i both are classic examples of this. neither one of us are in good physical shape. we could take better care of ourselves. we are free to make this choice. even obama cant take that away.
if we choose to eat bad foods its our choice. if we choose to drink a few beers its our choice.
we must sleep in the bed we make for ourselves.

we are not the healthiest nation on earth because we choose not to be.

many of the people not covered in our country choose not to be covered. this choice is made by some that just choose not to work(lazy, drug addicted, drunks, bums, ect...).

some others choose not to be insured because they are young and healthy, and dont want to waste their money on something they wont use(i dont blame them, i did the same thing).

still many others counted on the list of the uninsured are illegal immigrants(they should go hospital in their own country).

many other uninsured people claim they cant afford it.
i bet they got cable tv though. i bet they eat out 2 or 3 times a week. ill bet they got a nice new iphone. i bet their computer is nicer than mine. i bet they got a nice car in the drive. some people just aint gonna pay for it. they could afford it, they just choose not to.

some others are just down on the their luck. they deserve a break.
most americans would gladly help them out for a short period of time.
unfortunately the other people that could afford insurance ruined it for the people that deserve a helping hand. the next part of the problem is obama wont give a helping hand.
he gives hand outs(permanent ones). anything that is free in not respected.

the saddest part is the left wont just try to help the few that truely need it.

they feel the need to force their "reforms" on a nation in an effort to control billions of dollars, and millions of lives.

one great thing about america is everyone is insured. even those that choose not to be. anyone can walk into a hospital and get care. the only people you see dying in the streets of america are those that choose not to get help.

i have walked into a hospital without insurance or money.
they treated me very well.
the doctor never asked for money to help me out.
thats the true beauty of america!

you can claim americans want health care reform all you want.
we know your just repeating the lies of the left.

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That video must be lies. It was a speaking.
According to the left that is how they believe it. The have better intentions for this country. I can see thathe left want to take us to a state of socializm
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