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Old January 13th, 2011, 09:41 AM   #61
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Maybe I'm mis-interpreting this... (not the murder portion)

If your stating we should find common ground and "truce" , how is this not accommadating religious groups?

Or are you referring to "not" accomadating the wishes of the family members?
I don't mean truce in the changing of laws for the WBC, I don't think any religious group should be treated any differently than any others. I don't really know what kind of truce could be reached with the WBC, I was speaking in more broad terms. I was just trying to say that trying to understand an opponent is a better idea than to just kill them in our civil society.
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I'm still for taking them all out. Well the ones that are dumb enough to attend a protest of a child's funeral.


I would like to go to WBC and see if it's as crazy as the people they portray it.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #63
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I'm still for taking them all out. Well the ones that are dumb enough to attend a protest of a child's funeral.


I would like to go to WBC and see if it's as crazy as the people they portray it.
If you believe that, then you are no better than Jared Loughner. I hope you don't take any actions based on that belief.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:03 AM   #64
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Ahh, Emerson said it better than I could:

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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:09 AM   #65
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If you believe that, then you are no better than Jared Loughner.
Not even close. Jared shot innocent people. The WBC are not innocent people. They are trash.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #66
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I'm still for taking them all out. Well the ones that are dumb enough to attend a protest of a child's funeral.


I would like to go to WBC and see if it's as crazy as the people they portray it.

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If you believe that, then you are no better than Jared Loughner. I hope you don't take any actions based on that belief.
Like I said.. Most people have thoughts like this all time.. But what seperates sane people from people that go on a shoot rampage is if they act on those thoughts.

Im sure even you have thought about killing someone or wished someone was dead at one point. Say you haven't and I'm gonna call you a liar.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 12:35 PM   #67
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Like I said.. Most people have thoughts like this all time.. But what seperates sane people from people that go on a shoot rampage is if they act on those thoughts.

Im sure even you have thought about killing someone or wished someone was dead at one point. Say you haven't and I'm gonna call you a liar.
Nope, I don't fantasize about murder. Go ahead and call me a liar.
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I don't think he'd mind. They really aren't helping his cause. And is it murder or taking them out in the name of Christ . . similar to the crusades? Good questions, yes?
I do think he'd mind. "Love your neighbor as your self" is pretty dang straight forward. It's not "Love your neighbor as your self, only if you like them". Jesus talked about loving your enemies and I would consider them Enemies.

We are instructed to love as Christ loved. If you feel the way you are portraying you are not loving them the way Christ did. You are hating them the way Satan does. Check your self.

The Crusades were not done in the name of Christ. They were done in the Name of the Roman Catholic Church who said it was Christ. I would liken them to these guys. Innocent people (The Crusaders) being lead astray by people who are corrupt.


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Not even close. Jared shot innocent people. The WBC are not innocent people. They are trash.
How are they not innocent people? Are they breaking any laws? No. Killing somebody woudl be breaking the law. They are completely A-holes for sure, but you guys are using skewed Ethics to justify killing an innocent person. You are no better then them in this matter.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 01:45 PM   #69
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How are they not innocent people? Are they breaking any laws? No. Killing somebody woudl be breaking the law. They are completely A-holes for sure, but you guys are using skewed Ethics to justify killing an innocent person. You are no better then them in this matter.
Right and wrong is not the same as legal & illegal. I never said they were breaking any laws.
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Nope, I don't fantasize about murder. Go ahead and call me a liar.
I wont call you a liar, but maybe you should try it to get a look at it from my point of view
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Old January 13th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #71
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Ahh, Emerson said it better than I could:



- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Right and wrong is not the same as legal & illegal. I never said they were breaking any laws.
How are they Guilty (not innocent) if they are just doing something wrong instead of something Illegal?

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Not even close. Jared shot innocent people. The WBC are not innocent people. They are trash.
They are, ethically speaking, doing something wrong. They are Guilty of that. Discussing, or suggesting that we just kill them, is no better ethically then what they do.
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I do think he'd mind. "Love your neighbor as your self" is pretty dang straight forward. It's not "Love your neighbor as your self, only if you like them". Jesus talked about loving your enemies and I would consider them Enemies.

We are instructed to love as Christ loved. If you feel the way you are portraying you are not loving them the way Christ did. You are hating them the way Satan does. Check your self.
I think he'd see them as the same kind of folks that were gambling and doing naughty things in the temple . . which he then laid down the smack! Go Jesus!

They are not my neighbor. They are some wackos that live over in middle america.
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How are they Guilty (not innocent) if they are just doing something wrong instead of something Illegal?

You answered your own question.

They are, ethically speaking, doing something wrong. They are Guilty of that. Discussing, or suggesting that we just kill them, is no better ethically then what they do.
Thats your opinion. Mine is they deserve to die a horrible death.
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If you believe that, then you are no better than Jared Loughner. I hope you don't take any actions based on that belief.
Naw, gas money is scarce. I also have a reason to live and I really don't care all that much about what they do since I know they are just pure evil.

Now if I didn't then I'd be more then happy to sacrifice myself doing a little vigilantly justice.
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I think he'd see them as the same kind of folks that were gambling and doing naughty things in the temple . . which he then laid down the smack! Go Jesus!

They are not my neighbor. They are some wackos that live over in middle america.
Jesus didn't kill them though. .

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Thats your opinion. Mine is they deserve to die a horrible death.
I have no problem with them dying a horrible death. I just don't think it's right to say I'm going to do it and then pass it off as ok.
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I have no problem with them dying a horrible death. I just don't think it's right to say I'm going to do it and then pass it off as ok.




do you know in the military there are group prayers held, praying that the bullets find their mark, to kill the enemy, to strike down those that would stand against us, ect. I see these aholes as enemys plain and simple. Sometimes you need good people to do bad things to bad people...
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I have no problem with them dying a horrible death. I just don't think it's right to say I'm going to do it and then pass it off as ok.
Again, that is your opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, even if it is wrong.
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do you know in the military there are group prayers held, praying that the bullets find their mark, to kill the enemy, to strike down those that would stand against us, ect. I see these aholes as enemys plain and simple. Sometimes you need good people to do bad things to bad people...
I'm guessing the marks have also done something like shoot at your side right? Broken some kind of treaty? Right? Not just being A-holes. I get what you're saying but It doesn't really apply here. Or do you suggest that it's ok to go above the law and take things into your own hands? I mean, As long as it's something as Horrible as this.

They are doing what they are doing within their constitutional rights. I can Guarantee they make sure they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't be around. I wish they didn't and if I could stop them somehow, I would. But Like I said before, I'd rather be an A-hole then a Murderer.

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Again, that is your opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, even if it is wrong.
So you're ok with the idea of killing people if they "Cross the line"? How do we draw the line? Where do we draw it at?
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I'm guessing the marks have also done something like shoot at your side right? Broken some kind of treaty? Right? Not just being A-holes. I get what you're saying but It doesn't really apply here. Or do you suggest that it's ok to go above the law and take things into your own hands? I mean, As long as it's something as Horrible as this. They are doing what they are doing within their constitutional rights. I can Guarantee they make sure they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't be around. I wish they didn't and if I could stop them somehow, I would. But Like I said before, I'd rather be an A-hole then a Murderer.



So you're ok with the idea of killing people if they "Cross the line"? How do we draw the line? Where do we draw it at?
Where do you draw the line? That one is above me, however I believe that these particular aholes as well as gang members should be considered domestic terrorists. Now having that label they are now considered enemy combatants and thus change the rules of engagement and negate any rights they perceived to have. No, judge, no jury, just a few well place shots will decide their fate. Again, this is not for me to decide.
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