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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:14 PM   #21
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But where does their right to demonstrate end and the grieving family's right to not hear them begin?
I have no idea.


Maybe Michael Moore should show up with a van full of gay guys to scare them away again?

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Old January 12th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #22
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How much hate could you have in your body to trample on the funeral of a little girl.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:27 AM   #23
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How much hate could you have in your body to trample on the funeral of a little girl.
See, the thing is, just like Abe, they are doing what they are doing because of what they believe and are trying to inform people of those beliefs. I'm not saying that Aber=WBC, but I think it's coming from the same place. I sincerely don't think that Fred Phelps thinks what he is doing is wrong or hateful, he is just completely ignorant and going on what his beliefs are.

Abe will tell you that if you don't change your ways you're going to burn in hell, with a smile on his face. He feels he has to preach to you because he wants to save souls.

WBC basically does the same thing, although, I don't think they believe that you can change your ways because of the whole predestination thing. Where else are they going to be able to get their message out to more people than at something like this where they will get all kinds of media coverage?

I'm not defending WBC, but just trying to see where they are coming from.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 10:06 AM   #24
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I am anti-asshole. Therefore I am anti-WBC.
I knew you werent all bad.

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On one hand, I'm ok with them not being nearby the funerals with their obscene protests, on the other hand, the protests are constitutionally protected demonstrations and this would be taking the rights of citizens away.
I have to agree with you here. I think we need to put in the law it only applies to the WBC.

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You want to kill them? Seriously?
I would love to. I would sleep so good after sticking a knife in the neck of each and every one of them. They are scum that needs to be cleansed from the planet.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 10:12 AM   #25
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Ive had to think long and hard to come up with something to say about this.. And i really cant.

I fall into the category of "lets all get along" I really don't care what religion you believe in, and I don't care if you like my religious beliefs. I'm not gonna try to shove them on anyone or tell they are wrong and I would expect the same..

Somewhere along the line you have to draw the line- such as allowing this group to picket a 9 year old's funeral because of a shooting and saying "God sent the shooter!" the statement continued. "Praise God for ALL his works, and BE YE THANKFUL!."
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Old January 12th, 2011, 10:43 AM   #26
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I would love to. I would sleep so good after sticking a knife in the neck of each and every one of them. They are scum that needs to be cleansed from the planet.
I can't agree with killing somebody for being an asshole. You probably need mental help.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 11:03 AM   #27
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See, the thing is, just like Abe, they are doing what they are doing because of what they believe and are trying to inform people of those beliefs. I'm not saying that Aber=WBC, but I think it's coming from the same place. I sincerely don't think that Fred Phelps thinks what he is doing is wrong or hateful, he is just completely ignorant and going on what his beliefs are.

Abe will tell you that if you don't change your ways you're going to burn in hell, with a smile on his face. He feels he has to preach to you because he wants to save souls.

WBC basically does the same thing, although, I don't think they believe that you can change your ways because of the whole predestination thing. Where else are they going to be able to get their message out to more people than at something like this where they will get all kinds of media coverage?

I'm not defending WBC, but just trying to see where they are coming from.
The difference is Mike I would attempt to inform you about Christ and how that living a Christain life style would benefit you. I would do it in love and kindness. If you reject me and the teachings of Jesus Christ then as instructed we are to move on. My job is to plant seeds of hope and then it is up to God to change your mind one day, hopefully you accept his free gift of eternal life before He judges you on the day you die. If not then it will be to late and yes you will spend eternity separated from Him.
See if your wrong, you lose,everything. If I'm wrong, then we lose nothing. So by believeing in Christ, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose, except your pride.
And I would not do it with a smile on my face because as Christ says it is a place that nobody should go there. It is said to be so terrible that you would not want your worst enemy to go there. So you don;t know me Mike and don't claim you do.
I wouldn't want you to go there. If I could care less do really think I would be wasting my time with you?
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Old January 12th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #28
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See if your wrong, you lose,everything. If I'm wrong, then we lose nothing.
Thank you for presenting me with pascal\\\\\\\\\\'s wager.
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Thank you for presenting me with pascal\\\\\\\\\\'s wager.
So then you can live your life, selfishly to yourself and when the time of judgement comes you can answer for your selfish deeds.
Good luck with that
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Old January 12th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #30
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Thank you for presenting me with pascal\\\\\\\\\\'s wager.
I did a search but could not find the bit on Penn and Teller when one of them said , coming from an athiest, You must have to really hate somebody to not tell the, about reality of hell.
Why would an athiest say this?
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Old January 12th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #31
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I can't agree with killing somebody for being an asshole. You probably need mental help.
I completely disagree, this is exactly why the passive mentallity that allows these animals to spread. (or the whole freedom of speech crap, where's my freedom not to listen, when someone is screaming in your face)

Should the parents have to leave their own daughter's funeral, to gain some silence from these idiots. (they should all be arrested for harrassment)

We allow disrespect, assault (verbal or physical) every day, with the "turn the other cheek attitude"

Don't get me wrong, just like the "armed society is a polite society" statement, animals like this need to be put back in their place. I hope someone does soon. (their a waste of oxygen.)
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See, the thing is, just like Abe, they are doing what they are doing because of what they believe and are trying to inform people of those beliefs. I'm not saying that Aber=WBC, but I think it's coming from the same place. I sincerely don't think that Fred Phelps thinks what he is doing is wrong or hateful, he is just completely ignorant and going on what his beliefs are.

Abe will tell you that if you don't change your ways you're going to burn in hell, with a smile on his face. He feels he has to preach to you because he wants to save souls.

WBC basically does the same thing, although, I don't think they believe that you can change your ways because of the whole predestination thing. Where else are they going to be able to get their message out to more people than at something like this where they will get all kinds of media coverage?

I'm not defending WBC, but just trying to see where they are coming from.
Beliefs or not ,or just their way of thinking.

The group is nothing more then attention whores getting exactly what they want.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #33
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I did a search but could not find the bit on Penn and Teller when one of them said , coming from an athiest, You must have to really hate somebody to not tell the, about reality of hell.
Why would an athiest say this?
Penn Gillette is an atheist. He doesn't believe in your religion. He was saying that if your religion was true, a believer would have to really hate somebody to not try to convince a non-believer that it was true because in this scenario it istrue.

It makes sense. I understand why you do what you do. It's just, we don't live in that scenario.
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Penn Gillette is an atheist. He doesn't believe in your religion. He was saying that if your religion was true, a believer would have to really hate somebody to not try to convince a non-believer that it was true because in this scenario it istrue.

It makes sense. I understand why you do what you do. It's just, we don't live in that scenario.
He must know something you don't
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Old January 12th, 2011, 02:42 PM   #35
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I sincerely don't think that Fred Phelps thinks what he is doing is wrong or hateful, he is just completely ignorant and going on what his beliefs are.
You could say the same thing about Hitler.. Doesn't make it right
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Old January 12th, 2011, 02:58 PM   #36
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See, the thing is, just like Abe, they are doing what they are doing because of what they believe and are trying to inform people of those beliefs. I'm not saying that Aber=WBC, but I think it's coming from the same place. I sincerely don't think that Fred Phelps thinks what he is doing is wrong or hateful, he is just completely ignorant and going on what his beliefs are.

Abe will tell you that if you don't change your ways you're going to burn in hell, with a smile on his face. He feels he has to preach to you because he wants to save souls.
I can't speak for Abe, but I don't do it with a smile on my face. But then again, I don't just go up to people and tell them that.

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WBC basically does the same thing, although, I don't think they believe that you can change your ways because of the whole predestination thing. Where else are they going to be able to get their message out to more people than at something like this where they will get all kinds of media coverage?

I'm not defending WBC, but just trying to see where they are coming from.
Yeah, I could see them thinking that. I just don't get how you could stand doing it. I mean, they have children. They are people. I'm really curious how the pastor can even come up with the idea of so much hatred by reading the bible. Especially the New testament. As a pastor you're held to a higher standard of Judgment because you're in charge of a group of Christ followers.

I see them as Attention whores and nothing else. They are using the non-profit/church angle so they don't get in so much trouble and can claim "freedom of Religion". They will all die like everybody else. God will sort that stuff out. I just hope the Innocent children and Sheeple that follow him won't loose thier eternal life because of his mistakes.

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Penn Gillette is an atheist. He doesn't believe in your religion. He was saying that if your religion was true, a believer would have to really hate somebody to not try to convince a non-believer that it was true because in this scenario it istrue.

It makes sense. I understand why you do what you do. It's just, I don't live in that scenario.
Fixed it for you. We (Abe, Me, and other Christians) do live in that Scenario.
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You could say the same thing about Hitler.. Doesn't make it right
I never claimed that the WBC or Hitler were right. They are/were both assholes and as I stated before, I am anti-asshole.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 04:12 PM   #38
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I never claimed that the WBC or Hitler were right. They are/were both assholes and as I stated before, I am anti-asshole.

I would stop trying to see where these guys are coming from then.. And agree that they are assholes and that they have a twisted view on what they think is doing good for Christians/anyone else

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I would stop trying to see where these guys are coming from then.. And agree that they are assholes and that they have a twisted view on what they think is doing good for Christians/anyone else
Yeah, you're right, trying to understand how people work could never help...
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I can't agree with killing somebody for being an asshole. You probably need mental help.
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Yeah, you're right, trying to understand how people work could never help...
Why do I need mental help? I am not one of these pussies that believes everyone is a precious life. These scum are nothing more than the garbage I take to the curb every week.

We killed Hitler for being an asshole. Why are these turds any different?

Why would you want to even try to understand these assholes?
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