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Old January 9th, 2011, 10:54 AM   #1
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I am offering to make custom winch lines and winch extensions using Amsteel Blue. I have been splicing Amsteel Blue for a little over 1 year and can lay claim to working up the rope for the worlds largest yo-yo.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...-yo/121612.htm

http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/p...essYoYo036.mp4

All my splices are done using Samsons guidelines for class 2, 12 strand rope. I can make them with or withour heavy duty stainless thimbles, but the standard is with.



Standard pricing is without a hook. I can re-use your current hook but you will need to remove it and send it to me. 5' of abrasion guard on each winch line.

I include a 10% safety margin into my splices, So that means a 5/16 line will have a safe working limit of 12,330 pounds. 3/8 will have a safe working limit of 17,640. I will guarantee my products for 5 years from the time you take delivery against defects in my work. The line itself will retain its full average strength rating as stated on Samsons website for Amsteel Blue. If the line breaks at the splice during the 5 year period, and I can determine its not from misuse, I will replace the entire line. If anything on the line breaks anywhere along the line after the 5 year period, send it back to me and Ill make the longest section your winch line and the shorter section an extension. Youll need to cover the costs of shipping and the thimbles for the extension.

Prices are shipped to your door via USPS Priority ... Other diameters and lengths available upoun request.

Vehicle Winch Lines

#12,330
5/16 x 50 = $112
5/16 x 80 = $160
5/16 x 100 = $180

#17,640
3/8 x 50 = $140
3/8 x 80 = $208
3/8 x 100 = $240

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Extensions..... Will include fixed eyes in either end around a HD Stainless thimble. The shackles pictured are not included. Price is shipped via USPS Priority


#12,330
5/16 x 30 = $66
5/16 x 40 = $88
5/16 x 50 = $112
5/16 x 80 = $160
5/16 x 100 = $180

#17,640
3/8 x 30 = $90
3/8 x 40 = $116
3/8 x 50 = $133
3/8 x 80 = $208
3/8 x 100 = $240

These are standard lengths. If you want a custom length, just let me know. All lines will be hand made, by me, at the time of order. Initially there may be some delay as Ill need to work up a decent inventory of line.

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Recovery ropes..... Will include abrasion guard in the eyes. These are made from double braid line, nylon core w/ nylon outer cover. Spliced according to Samsons instructions for class 1, double braid. Due to the violent nature of using a recovery rope, I cant warranty these.


Pricing + $10 for shipping to you via USPS Priority. Shipping charge is due to weight and bulk.

# 18,800
3/4 x 20 = $50
3/4 x 30 = $69

# 29,000
7/8 x 20 = $70
7/8 x 30 = $96

# 36,000
1" x 20 = $80
1" x 30 = $114

I can do larger and smaller sizes as well as longer lengths.

Rated loadings

9/16 = 11,900
5/8 = 15,200
3/4 = 18,800
7/8 = 29,000
1" = 36,000
1 1/8 = 45,000
1 1/4 = 52,000
1 1/2 = 75,000

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ATV Winch Lines, Extensions and recovery ropes. Carry the same warranty as vehicle winch lines. 3' of abrasion guard included. No hook. I can reuse your old hook if you send it to me. Prices are shipped via USPS Priority

3/16 #4,860
Winch line x 50 = $50
Extension x 50 = $55

1/4 #7,740
Winch line x 50 = $65
Extension x 50 = $75

ATV Recovery Rope

7/16 #6,600
20 = $30
30 = $42

1/2 #8,600
20 = $40
30 = $54

If you are interested, just drop me a private message.

Kris

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Old January 9th, 2011, 04:39 PM   #2
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Also, if you want a custom eye in either the winch line or extension, no problem. No change in price.

For instance you don't want a thimble but a larger fixed eye to loop over something or for larger shackle pins.
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I liked your yo-yo video.
but what does that have to do with winch line?
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It doesn't really have anything to do with winch line. Just a testament to my splices holding. The team figured that when the yo yo hit the bottom, the shock load approached around 40,000+ pounds.

It's kinda like job experience on a resume.
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It doesn't really have anything to do with winch line. Just a testament to my splices holding. The team figured that when the yo yo hit the bottom, the shock load approached around 40,000+ pounds.

It's kinda like job experience on a resume.
Thats impressive
Good Work, When Im ready to upgrade I may give you a call.
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Thanks.

Now I just need to learn how to spell "synthetic."
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I can replace the steel cable on your come-a-long too. I use a come-a-long in my recovery box and with my recent addition of a larger one Ill be replacing the steel cable. Pics up when I get it done.
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I can replace the steel cable on your come-a-long too. I use a come-a-long in my recovery box and with my recent addition of a larger one Ill be replacing the steel cable. Pics up when I get it done.
I was just thinking about this when reading through your listing. I have a relatively new come-a-long with a broken cable, I wonder how much rope of a similar capacity would fit on one?
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I was just thinking this when reading through your listing. I have a come-a-long with a broken cable, I wonder how much rope of a similar capacity would fit on one?
I just took the 5/16 off my 6000 pound come-a-long and it had about 15' on it. Im going to see if I can spool on 20' of 5/16 Amsteel Blue.

Ive got a smaller 2000 pound one I should see how much is on it. I believe its got 1/4 cable on it.
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A come-a-long might actually work nice with this stuff on it. Look forward to seeing the pictures.
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My rope isn't very old so I don't intend on replacing it at this time. However, I would really like a chaffe gaurd. When you find a source for these, I'll almost certainly buy one.
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A come-a-long might actually work nice with this stuff on it. Look forward to seeing the pictures.
I spooled up some of the 3/8 I had laying around on my come-a-long. Its to large to get a decent amount on the drum, but I was able to get about 15' on.



Heres what happens when the spring that keeps the steel cable wound tight snags the line...



If I find the 5/16 is nearing the same thing, Im going to remove the spring from my come-a-long.

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My rope isn't very old so I don't intend on replacing it at this time. However, I would really like a chaffe gaurd. When you find a source for these, I'll almost certainly buy one.
I believe Ive found some, should know more in a few days.
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Also.. here is a larger eye with no thimble.



Thimbles arent a necessity unless you plan on having rope to rope or rope to cable connections. Most shackles that would be used in a recovery or winching operation have large enough diameter pins to keep a minimum radius on the eye of the rope.

Edit: or if you are using a hook on the end of your line, then you need a thimble.
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I can also make custom length kinetic recovery ropes (snatch ropes). I have some material on its way and once I get them made up, Ill post pics and prices.
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I can also make custom length kinetic recovery ropes (snatch ropes). I have some material on its way and once I get them made up, Ill post pics and prices.
I am thinking I'd like to pick up another snatch strap...
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I am thinking I'd like to pick up another snatch strap...
Do you have an idea what size and length you are after?
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Standard 30ft 25 to 30k rated. I just don't know if these are worth it though.

The problem with these fancy straps that I've seen is the price. I can go to TSC and buy the standard flat type snatch strap for about 30 bucks. How are these types of ropes better (like triple the price) than those straps?
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Standard 30ft 25 to 30k rated. I just don't know if these are worth it though.

The problem with these fancy straps that I've seen is the price. I can go to TSC and buy the standard flat type snatch strap for about 30 bucks. How are these types of ropes better (like triple the price) than those straps?
The tow straps you buy at TSC, and I have a 20' and 30' in my recovery box of the very ones you are talking about, arent snatch straps or kinetic ropes.

Recovery ropes/snatch straps are designed to stretch during a recovery and transfer the energy from the pulling vehicle to the stuck vehicle.

Think of a rubber band, youre holding each end in either hand and with some slack in the band between your hands, your yank your right hand away from your left hand. Your left hand will want to move towards your right hand but without the hard hit you get from a regular tow strap. The energy is transferred smoothly and gradually rather than abrubtly and all at once.

And right now Im pretty sure I can beat most of the other kinetic ropes on the market. Ive got to do some figuring first.
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TSC does in fact have snatch straps. The are designed to stretch. They have sewn loops and all. I'm not refering to the two straps that they also have. I've been using them for years and they work as well as any of the fancy ARB or other brand snatch straps.

What I don't know is how they compare to the rope style straps like Bubba Rope or Masterpulls (I'm assuming what you are planning selling is similar to this). I'm not so sure those are worth the extra cost though. That's what I'm asking. Then again, even the flat style snatch strap with an ARB tag on it is $60 bucks.

Edit: I just looked on TSCs website and prices have changed. You can still get a 2 x 20 rated at 18k for $25. However, to step up to a 30 footer they are $50. The 3 x 20 is also $50 and is rated at 27k. The 3 x 30 is $65. Eeek. Looks like TSC isn't such a bargain as they used to be. lol
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Well, Ive been educated then! I was just in there today and all I saw were the standard tow straps. The ones on their website are the ones I have and having used them to be recovered.... Well, I must not have gotten the ones that stretch.

In any event, I can make up a 30' rope made from 7/8" rated to 29,000 pounds for $85 shipped to your door. With the added bonus of knowing its not only made in the US, But right here in MI.

Is there a benefit to rope over a strap? I dont know. Personal preference I guess. I personally prefer rope but Im biased because I like working with rope.
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