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Old January 10th, 2011, 11:55 AM   #41
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Why does every lefty think that Sarah came up with the target maps? The Democrats have been using them since 2004 (Democratic Leadership Committee). The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee used one in 2009. Its okay when they do it. No hypocrisy?

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Old January 10th, 2011, 01:15 PM   #42
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Could you stop trying to blame the left for everything and understand that injecting violent rhetoric is bad, whether it's someone from the left or the right?

Granted, my examples were from right wingers, but only because I hadn't seen any recent examples of left wing influential people using violent rhetoric that ended with violence. Feel free to mention any that I have missed. I would condemn them as well.
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So hippie how is it that you are able to spin this left wing ass hat that shot one of his own did this because the right told him to?? Really? REALLY?
How about this...maybe crack pot shooter guy did this because this old bat Piven told him too...or maybe Van Jones, Or Bernadine Dorn, or her cuddly hubby Bill Ayers, because God knows they have never preached violence...Or is this something that the right fabricated..she didn't really say those things? Or the Weather Underground never blew anything up...Or maybe, JUST MAYBE the rioters in Europe are right wingers too!!!

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Old January 10th, 2011, 09:41 PM   #43
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Hopefully this piece will put an end to the notion that the tragety in Arizona was the fault of any party or person except the unstable guy who pulled the trigger

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Old January 11th, 2011, 09:08 AM   #44
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Bill Oriely gives a great comment on this situation about the blame game from the left accusing the right for being responsible for the murders in Arizonia.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4491728/m...itation-of-it/
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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:05 AM   #45
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Nobody is saying we need to have government intervention on our current free speech, just to think about what you say before you say it and hopefully realize that there can be consequences to what you say.
Merely bring up that with free speech comes responsibility and the wingers denial of the ramped up hate speech flows forth.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:13 AM   #46
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Merely bring up that with free speech comes responsibility and the wingers denial of the ramped up hate speech flows forth.
A great (fictional) man once said, "With great power (influential and free speech), comes great responsibility."
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Old January 11th, 2011, 02:27 PM   #47
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A great (fictional) man once said, "With great power (influential and free speech), comes great responsibility."
Thats it?
I expected more from you Mike.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #48
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Thats it?
I expected more from you Mike.
What do you want, for me to continue stating my case, that you obviously don't get?

Fine, one more time, violent rhetoric in political speech is bad because it can be taken the wrong way by whackos and have violent consequences. You saw that my example was Palin, went off the deepend with, "but the left, but the left..." If someone from the left does something as agregious as this, then I will condemn that as well. I don't approve of Obama's comments when he said something about "bringing a gun to a knife fight" or whatever. Anything else?

Or maybe I should just post a link...
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Old January 11th, 2011, 03:27 PM   #49
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What do you want, for me to continue stating my case, that you obviously don't get?

Fine, one more time, violent rhetoric in political speech is bad because it can be taken the wrong way by whackos and have violent consequences. You saw that my example was Palin, went off the deepend with, "but the left, but the left..." If someone from the left does something as agregious as this, then I will condemn that as well. I don't approve of Obama's comments when he said something about "bringing a gun to a knife fight" or whatever. Anything else?

Or maybe I should just post a link...
So what your saying is: Speech from a Political figure (which very few listen too) will cause someone too lose it and start being violent? Couldn't you say then that the violent rhetoric in, Rap Music, Violent Movies, Violent Video Games, ect (which more people listen too, or react with) would cause more people to become violent?

I'm just asking,...........because maybe we should then Ban Rhetoric, video games, Rap music, athiest web sites, baptist churches, Bill Mahr, Saturday night Live............Greatlakes 4x4..............ect. Or is it that people only get Violent from Political speech.
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I don't believe this, I'm just trying to understand what you are trying to point out.

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Old January 11th, 2011, 04:17 PM   #50
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I am merely bringing the idea forth that violent rhetoric can lead to violent consequences.
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What do you want, for me to continue stating my case, that you obviously don't get?

Fine, one more time, violent rhetoric in political speech is bad because it can be taken the wrong way by whackos and have violent consequences. You saw that my example was Palin, went off the deepend with, "but the left, but the left..." If someone from the left does something as agregious as this, then I will condemn that as well. I don't approve of Obama's comments when he said something about "bringing a gun to a knife fight" or whatever. Anything else?

Or maybe I should just post a link...


If? Did I not give you a handful?
And I think the most simple sob would agree that what the bitch Piven said was a tad bit more "agregious" than someone using a crosshair designed marker on their webpage...but what would I know I am just a crazy gun carrying
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Its ok when the left do it but when the right does the same it is wrong. I see it as way for the left to attempt to silence the political right. They are sending a clear message that the right had just better shut up. The conservative right at this point needs to FIRE back at the liberal left and show them the hypocrisy and that the right will not stand for thier shameful behavior in this matter.
Liberalism is a disease, mental defect.
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Hey Mike in case you had trouble finding something I thought I would help you out
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A little more for you to digest and see that maybe you are in the minority in this.

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Old January 11th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #55
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Did anybody else hear the WBC is going to be Protesting the little girls funeral?
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As the guy said political rhetoric coming from the right, o'rly

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Old January 11th, 2011, 05:40 PM   #57
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Did anybody else hear the WBC is going to be Protesting the little girls funeral?
I heard the same. Hopefully they are blocked from getting anywhere close to the funeral.
Acually I think congress is going to try and push something through to prevent them from going anywhere near them, through a new law.
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Did anybody else hear the WBC is going to be Protesting the little girls funeral?
Yes. Thats crap. I wish someone would be "mentally ill" and kill the members of the WBC.



I heard the armed people of AZ are making 6' x 8' angel wings to wear to block the WBC from the funeral.
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So what your saying is: Speech from a Political figure (which very few listen too) will cause someone too lose it and start being violent?

No. An already whacked individual can take cues from the violent rhetoric and act. You don't think many people listen to Palin?


Couldn't you say then that the violent rhetoric in, Rap Music, Violent Movies, Violent Video Games, ect (which more people listen too, or react with) would cause more people to become violent?

maybe? I'm thinking the problem is specifically picking out certain groups or people and directing the violent language towards them.

I'm just asking,...........because maybe we should then Ban Rhetoric, video games, Rap music, athiest web sites, baptist churches, Bill Mahr, Saturday night Live............Greatlakes 4x4..............ect. Or is it that people only get Violent from Political speech.
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I don't believe this, I'm just trying to understand what you are trying to point out.
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