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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #1
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Default Arizona Rep. Giffords Shot; Condition Unclear

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head by a gunman at a public event in Tucson on Saturday. There are conflicting reports about whether she was killed.

The Pima County, Ariz., sheriff's office told member station KJZZ the 40-year-old Democrat was killed. A hospital spokeswoman said Giffords was in critical condition and undergoing surgery.

At least eight other people, including members of her staff, were injured. There also were conflicting reports on the number of deaths at the scene, but President Obama, in a statement, said "we know that some have passed away" and that Giffords was "gravely wounded."

Giffords, who was re-elected to a third term in November, was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

The suspect fired indiscriminately from about four feet away, Michaels said. A congressional official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity that the gunman was using an automatic weapon.

The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s. Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities in Arizona are investigating the shooting.

The congresswoman was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson.

Giffords was first elected to represent Arizona's 8th District in 2006. The "Congress on Your Corner" events, which she holds regularly, allow constituents to present their concerns directly to her.

Giffords' Tucson office was one of three damaged last March by vandals who targeted Democrats in advance of the U.S. House vote on the controversial health care legislation. A glass panel at her office was shattered, and at the time her staff said that it appeared the window had been damaged by a pellet gun.

House Speaker John Boehner condemned the attack.

"An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," he said in a statement. "Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

Her fellow Arizona congressman, Republican Jeff Flake, reached Saturday on his way to the hospital recalled that he had last spoken with Giffords on the House floor during this week's swearing-in ceremony.

"We have a fairly small delegation and we've met often," he said of Giffords, who in November beat back a tough challenge from a Tea Party-endorsed opponent.

"She got re-elected because she's tenacious," Flake said. "There was a very strong headwind against all Democrats and people did not expect her to come back to Congress.

"But she was tireless," he said. "Others may have held back after things happen like the damage to her office. She was fearless."

Flake said emotions have been running high in Arizona over issues, including immigration.

"That's obviously an issue that is a very passionate one for a lot of people," he said.

In a statement released by his office, House Speaker John Boehner said he was "horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve....this is a sad day for our country."

Representative Gifford was one of 20 people on a "target list" by SarahPAC, Sarah Palin's political action committee. The representative was represented on a map with crosshairs, as shown below:



Here is another example of Palin's reckless speech:




I believe that Palin's use violent language towards political opponents helped convince the shooter to commit the crime. I don't think that Palin meant for this to happen, but I don't think she helped. I also see this as one event in a line of similar incidents that can lead back to violent rhetoric in political speech. Palin and everyone else in this country have the freedom to say whatever they want, but they should also take a second to think about what they are saying when they are in such a influential position.

For other recent examples see:

Glenn Beck/Oakland Shooter/Tides Foundation

Bill O\\\\\\\\\\'Reilly/George Tiller
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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:18 PM   #2
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Oreally, bush lied people died.
Besides what did the 9 year old boy have to do with this? Maybe he had a poster that said he wanted to be democrat.
The left is a whole lot better at this.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:23 PM   #3
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the liberal spin on this is laughable. Sad story, for sure, but come on, loosen up your tin foil hat.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #4
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Seems like it worked.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #5
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the liberal spin on this is laughable. Sad story, for sure, but come on, loosen up your tin foil hat.
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or anything, I am just saying that influential people using violent imagery and speech toward other people can cause (unstable) people to act on it. Is it really that unreasonable?


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“We need to realize that the rhetoric, and the firing people up and … for example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s ‘targeted’ list, but the thing is, the way she has it depicted, we’re in the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve gotta realize that there are consequences to that action.”
-U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, in an interview with MSNBC after her office was targeted with threats, vandalism and harassment following her vote for healthcare last spring.

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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #6
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and the left are quick to pass the blame to the enemy, so obama calls

http://networkedblogs.com/cKUfQ
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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:35 PM   #7
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and the left are quick to pass the blame to the enemy, so obama calls

http://networkedblogs.com/cKUfQ
Since when is Andrew Sullivan, "the left".
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Old January 8th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #8
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Since when is Andrew Sullivan, "the left".
You are the left MIke, you and your post is automatically blaming the political right for the reason behind this attack.
The shooter is a democrat, isn't he? or maybe just a nut. Why label a person like that as a radical right winger? Do you think it makes you look better as a democrat?
The people that were shot and killled is an awful thing to happen, why is it the first thing you post is who to place blame to? It is a ploy your friends on the left do consistantly to discredit the polical right as haters, mean, cold heartless people. As I said inthe past, the left blame the right for what they themselves are most guilty of. Look in the mirror and take a close look at who you are and what is in your heart. Now is not the time to pass blame on Palin because of what is posted in her blogs. Look at what the left post on thier blogs or radio and tv programs and there you wil see the root of hatered and vicious attacks against the right.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 06:04 PM   #9
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You are the left MIke, you and your post is automatically blaming the political right for the reason behind this attack.

I am listing "violent rhetoric" as a contributor to the shooting. I didn't even mention the right wing/or any political party, just the rhetoric.

The shooter is a democrat, isn't he? or maybe just a nut. Why label a person like that as a radical right winger? Do you think it makes you look better as a democrat?

Again, I didn't peg the shooter with any labels, except "unstable".

The people that were shot and killled is an awful thing to happen, why is it the first thing you post is who to place blame to? It is a ploy your friends on the left do consistantly to discredit the polical right as haters, mean, cold heartless people. As I said inthe past, the left blame the right for what they themselves are most guilty of. Look in the mirror and take a close look at who you are and what is in your heart. Now is not the time to pass blame on Palin because of what is posted in her blogs. Look at what the left post on thier blogs or radio and tv programs and there you wil see the root of hatered and vicious attacks against the right.

Should I repeat myself, again?
I am merely bringing the idea forth that violent rhetoric can lead to violent consequences. You seem to be jumping to far many more conclusions than I.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #10
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I am merely bringing the idea forth that violent rhetoric can lead to violent consequences. You seem to be jumping to far many more conclusions than I.
Actually what you're bringing forth is the continued effort by the left to pussify everything. Then the next thing that gets brought forth is more government regulations to further build on pussifacation, then the easy take over.
I wonder how many shots the guy would have got off if we pushed more open carry?
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Then you need to go back and read your original post. You seem to point out that Palin is the person in question with the use of language that may have caused this nut to use that as an excuse to commit this crime. It looks like to me you are pointing fingers at Palin, it is her fault because of what she wrote. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I understand the idea you bring forth. It is to make people look at what a person wrote and pass blame.
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Then you need to go back and read your original post. You seem to point out that Palin is the person in question with the use of language that may have caused this nut to use that as an excuse to commit this crime. It looks like to me you are pointing fingers at Palin, it is her fault because of what she wrote. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I understand the idea you bring forth. It is to make people look at what a person wrote and pass blame.

I blame the shooter for the deaths of those people. The reasons he committed the crime could be many. I posit that one of those reasons could be violent rhetoric put forth by an influential person.
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Fact: Gifford was on Palins "Hit List".

Fact: Gifford now fighting for her life after being shot in the head.

Question: Does violent rhetoric push some to violence?

Sheriff is pretty damn angry and also brought up the question of violent rhetoric.
Regardless of open carry, the congress woman would still have been shot first.

Stopping violent rhetoric is equal to the pussifying of America? That is simply outrageous. Hitler used violent rhetoric and the world is still recovering.

If Palins "Hit List" is pointed out as a catalyst for the suspect to go after Gifford, should Palin still run for President? (if she officially decides to?)
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:46 PM   #14
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Palins "hit list".

You guys are unbelievable.

Far more rhetoric comes from the left than right. You choose to excuse or ignore all of it. Who coined the term "hit list" for Palin? Could it have been the left? Naaaaa....
I don't know how the left can be more full of bullshit than they already are.
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Palin's hit list? Serously?!

Jesus Christ. People are FUCKING dead because some idiot chose all by himself to do it. Yet you retards want to turn this into an excuse to bash Palin? WTF. I'm flabbergasted.

Sova I know you like to push buttons for the spirit of debates, but this one is bullshit.
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19.5 out of 20 . . . since she's hanging on. Good for her by the way!
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Its a shame people might use the attempted (hopefully just attempted that is) murder of young lady to advance their political agenda.
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Palin's hit list? Serously?!

Jesus Christ. People are FUCKING dead because some idiot chose all by himself to do it. Yet you retards want to turn this into an excuse to bash Palin? WTF. I'm flabbergasted.

Sova I know you like to push buttons for the spirit of debates, but this one is bullshit.
I didn't say "hit list", but what do you call a list of people who are represented on a map by cross-hairs like a gun. I never said that it was Palin's fault or that she meant for something like this to happen. It's just when people like her inject such violent rhetoric into the discussion, it's almost like little cues to imbalanced people like the shooter. Like I said, we've seen examples before. It's not a Palin bashing thread, it's a "cut this shit out before more whackos see that as a reason to kill people." I do see it as irresponsible on her part to keep that list which included cross-hairs up, especially after having the people on the list complain about it (which I quoted earlier).
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I blame the shooter for the deaths of those people. The reasons he committed the crime could be many. I posit that one of those reasons could be violent rhetoric put forth by an influential person.
So then would left wing tv talk shows be responsible for violent rhetoric? Because more of that kind of talk comes from the left. Example here:

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So then would left wing tv talk shows be responsible for violent rhetoric? Because more of that kind of talk comes from the left. Example here:

YouTube - Violent rhetoric
Could you stop trying to blame the left for everything and understand that injecting violent rhetoric is bad, whether it's someone from the left or the right?

Granted, my examples were from right wingers, but only because I hadn't seen any recent examples of left wing influential people using violent rhetoric that ended with violence. Feel free to mention any that I have missed. I would condemn them as well.

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