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Old December 28th, 2010, 08:16 AM   #1
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Default 41 ft Raptor Toyhauler buildup. Making a Jeep or Land Cruiser fit a RV Toy hauler

After many years of service the Hillbilly Hauler was pelted with a freak hailstorm this summer. After discussing the options with our insurance company, I chose to take the money and purchase a lightly used 40 foot Raptor 5th wheel with a 14' garage. There is almost no information on the web on hauling a Jeep or land cruiser in a high end RV based toy hauler so I felt I would do a short write up of the mods involved in case someone else had the same intrest in doing the same thing.

Finding one with a long enough garage is the biggest challenge, If you are purchasing new it is not a problem, as they are more common now, but 3-5 years ago there were very few on the market that had larger than 12 foot garages...(one reason I built my first one)...14 foot was a must for our set up.

Next issue was a ramp that was heavy enough for a built rig. The ramp door on the Raptor was only rated for 2000 lbs. I was going to dissasemble it and beef it up, but it was bonded together and did not allow for this, so I built a pair of ramps to go over the ramp door. The ramps weigh about 70 lbs. each and are built out of 1/8" wall 2"x2" square tube, welded in an arch so that as they flex with the wt. of the rig they still clear the ramp door.

Tires will be the hardest part to maintain in this setup I am sure..If you have ever seen a rv on the side of the freeway with a destroyed side from a blow out you know what I mean. The TH I purchased had brand new E rated 15" tires, but under the extra wt. of the Jeep or Land Cruiser they will be close to the max rating. I will be swapping on a set of 16" wheels and E rated Light Truck Tires (Lt's).

Axles on this particular Toy hauler are rated at 5200 lbs. each, but I do not plan on changing them. They are the Dexter Eazy lube and have the same spindle/brake/bearings as the 7K axles and some 8K's do. I do have some 6K springs laying around that I may swap on, but the trailer does not seem to settle at all when I load the cruiser, so I think the spring rate is fine. Another option I have been considering is mounting a fourth (quad) axle on the rear of the trailer. This would accomplish several things. First of all better braking by adding another pair of 2x12" brakes to the trailer, second is the added load capacity and lowering the amount of work to the existing tires and axles. The third would be less wt. cantilevered over the rear, and a resulting higher pin wt, (which is a good thing). The only downfall I can see is the increased tire scrub, and difficulty turning into tight situations. Tire scrub should be minimal as 99% of the miles will be highway towing.

The trailer has E track already installed, which might be fine for my Mt. bikes and quads, but not my cruiser. I purchased 11K D rings that will be bolted through the floor into the 12" I beam frames on all four corners. The rear will use a pair of chains cut to length so I place the Cruiser perfectly every time I load it, as well as to make sure I don't drive through the wall into the living area. The front wil be 20,000 lb. ratchet straps, although I will have to turn the door around so it opens into the living area instead of into the garage, so I can easily get at the tie down locations.

The one issue I noticed on the 14+ hour drive home with the Toy hauler was that it had a lot more felt harshness through the hitch, I happened upon a 5th Airborne Sidewinder hitch on Craigslist that replaces the old pinbox with a suspension and a pivot point farther back. That hitch allows me to get rid of the sloppy slider hitch and use a tighter and quieter non sliding hitch while still giving over 90 degree turning ability with the short bed.

I am open to comments on past or present experience with similar setups, I would much rather learn from someone elses mistakes or inventions than have to go through my own trial and error.

The cruiser is presently garaged in the back of the toy hauler, to make more room in my shop over the winter, I will continue to update as the project moves forward.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 08:36 AM   #2
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Here is a picture of the old setup...it weighed around 13K loaded with the Land Cruiser, the Raptor is around 11,500 lbs empty and should be around 18,000 lbs. loaded Land cruiser or Jeep, spares, 110 gals water and 30 gals of gas in the fuel station. I will scale it when the salt is off the roads.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 08:38 AM   #3
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Did you have your old setup in Sault Ste. Marie, Mi. before? I think I remember seeing it at a gas station in town.

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Old December 28th, 2010, 08:55 AM   #4
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Yeah, plenty of times we try to get to Canada several times a year. Probably my favorite place to wheel.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 09:10 AM   #5
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just had to out do akoz didnt ya

maybe they are all different but mikes old toy hauler had no issues with the tailgate not supporting his 4000lb buggy. i believe it was a "dune chaser" maybe his model had a stronger tailgate.

so whats that thing weigh in at with the cruiser in it?
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Old December 28th, 2010, 09:13 AM   #6
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do you think its time to step up to a dually with all that trailer or does it feel nice and stable?
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Hey how's it going? I expect it to be around 18K
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Trailer feels fine empty, power is not a problem, Chipped 5.9 cummins, 6 speed Mercedes trans, 3.73's, 315's, Jake brake, Airbags, mag hytek rear cover...power was good through PA on the way back from the East coast...I could pass most big rigs up the mountains, and it would hold speed with the Jake on the way down... I'll know more once I load it up completely for a test run.

As far as dually goes....I do not think it is needed as far as pin wt. is concerned. I should be around 3500# on the pin, I used to have well over 4K on the Hillbilly hauler. I would consider a longbed though, I miss my longbed Superduty, but I don't miss trying to work around it in the garage.

I have been joking around with my wife about gettting a big rig to haul it around. A Kenworth T2000 or Volvo 770 with an Autoshift for the wife and friends would be pretty cool, and can be picked up for under 10 grand with less than a million miles. My buddyRoger bought a Volvo 660 and it was way cool! 4 guy's cross country, you could sleep, walk around, watch movies, get to the fridge.... I drove one leg for over 8 hours without stopping (at all), super comfortable, roomy, and in total control of the load. Problem is that some people will never get the knack of shifting an unsyncronized transmission, or you don't want to let them learn on your rig anyway. Shoot, I have a buddy that can not drive my 6 speed dodge....That HAS to be the easyist manual in the world to drive, you can't stall it, and the two stage clutch is super plush, you can dump the clutch and it just eases forward.

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Old December 28th, 2010, 11:14 AM   #9
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Hey Dar....I like the new trailer.....the old one was nice,but never did like the axles that far back on it...I know you had a way more than needed pin weight on the old one.
You should be able to tow a trailer with a quads and still be under the length limit.

Need to get together this yr sometime
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Default 5th airborne suspension pinbox and shortbed hitch

Here is a hitch I picked up on Craigslist....I had to drill another set of holes on my bridgeport to match the Lippert frame bolt pattern. The Pinbox fits tight into the Hitch with a large puck that keeps it from pivoting at the hitch and it pivots 22" behind the pin. Basically the wt. is in the right place on the truck, but the pivot point is somewhere between fiver and bumper, so it turns and backs up more like a bumperpull trailer.
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Hey Ron, good to hear from you...I had a couple reasons for the axles that far back....the biggest and best was blowouts did not hurt the fragile camper siding...it pulled great but man did it cut corners...very stressfull to let a new driver take over. I will definetly bring it up to R&V's in fact, that may be a good prerun. Lots to do first. The cruiser is going to get neglected this winter....I am glad it is in running condition.
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Just my opinion, but way too much trailer and load for a SRW short bed. You are seriously pushing the limits of what is safe and stoppable with only 2 rear wheels.
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Thanks, noted. I see from your sig you have a big fiver as well. does your jeep fit in it? Dually does nothing really to add to ability to pull more wt. Gear ratio would be though...if I need better gear ratio though I would go back to stock tires first, then I will cross the dually bridge if needed.....I will probably skip that step and go right to a big rig though....I don't feel there is that much more advantage of a dually over a srw as long as the tires are rated for the wt. Lots of cons with Dually for me...I drive a lot empty. Another trailer axle will help with the stopping more than a dually as well....I am leaning more that way, but have not had enough conversations with people that have run them to pull the trigger yet.

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You just want to be more cool than the rest of us.
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mikes dune chaser with the buggy, gear, water and the fuel tank filled came in at 17k. so 18 might be about right depending on the cruisers weight nowadays.
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i have no other info for you as i am not nearly cool enough yet for one of these setups. but if you ever do upgrade to the bigger truck and need another rig to toss on a trailer and head out west for a run let me know.
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What is the width of the trailer and the width between wheel wells? I am running a Jayco talon with a few mods to haul my Jeep. The outer width of the trailer is just over 8'.
  • I ended up shaving a inch of each of the boxed in wheel wells (the boxes were extra wide for additional insulation.
  • I also beefed up the ramp door by putting down 3/4" ply wood and took the 1/4" OSB off.
  • Also I put in new D-Rings that were bolted through the frame.

There is a D ring in the center of the floor and I use that to assist with loading the jeep. I will hook up my winch to the center D ring and then have my wife steer left/right to get it perfectly center inside. Part of the issue we have is there are two fold down couch/beds over the wheel wells that only have 1 1/2" of room to play between.

I have been hauling the jeep for the past two years with this setup and we are pretty happy. Like you mentioned it is hard to find used units that have enough garage space.

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Hi Tweak. Thanks for the response. I looked at a couple Talons...very nice units. I think we are the same width...just over 8 feet. I have plenty of room side to side...the Raptors sit higher over the axles than the Talons, I have no fenderwells to deal with. This one does not have any beds or couches in the garage area. I do have the fuel filler that sticks out a little but not enough to worry about. My biggest issue are the overhead cabinets on the loft that juts over the hood of the jeep / cruiser. I have to put my windshield down on the land cruiser, and it is pretty close to my full cage....The Jeep Fits no problem. My son can walk all the way around it with the ramp door shut....I can shimmy it.

I noticed your running tandems...what size axles and tires you runnin, they look like 16's... any issues?

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Hi Tweak. Thanks for the response. I looked at a couple Talons...very nice units. I have plenty of room side to side...the Raptors sit higher over the axles than the Talons, I have no fenderwells to deal with. This one does not have any beds or couches in the garage area. I do have the fuel filler that sticks out a little but not enough to worry about. My biggest issue are the overhead cabinets on the loft that juts over the hood of the jeep / cruiser.

I noticed your running tandems...what size axles and tires you runnin, any issues?
The axles are the 7500# (or 7000# I don't recall exactly). The Tires are 16" Michelin Load E. I don't recall all the other specifics from it, but if you need more info I can dig it up.

I have not had any issues with it yet, but we try to keep the load light when we are hauling the jeep. The farthest trip we have had with it has been to the bridge and back... with lots of trips to Silver Lake and Harrison.

We are headed out West in April, but we will not be taking the trailer as I am not sure how well the rig will preform out in the mountains.
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Thanks, noted. I see from your sig you have a big fiver as well. does your jeep fit in it? Dually does nothing really to add to ability to pull more wt. Gear ratio would be though...if I need better gear ratio though I would go back to stock tires first, then I will cross the dually bridge if needed.....I will probably skip that step and go right to a big rig though....I don't feel there is that much more advantage of a dually over a srw as long as the tires are rated for the wt. Lots of cons with Dually for me...I drive a lot empty. Another trailer axle will help with the stopping more than a dually as well....I am leaning more that way, but have not had enough conversations with people that have run them to pull the trigger yet.
The extra tires on the dually actually does increase the weight you can pull legally. If you get pulled over, the cop (if they even bother) will look at your tire ratings to see that you have enough tire capacity to carry the weight. Four tires help in that regard. Also, with 4 tires, you have double the contact surface with the road in terms of braking. Two rear tires will end up skidding before 4 rear tires assuming dry pavement. Wet or icy and all that goes out the window. I agree with the dually being a pain though. 6 tires to replace vs 4, parking is a bitch, the ride sucks, etc... My SRW fits in the garare. A dually won't.

My 5er isn't a toy hauler. I have considered a small car trailer or enclosed to pull behind the 5er. But many states won't allow doubles.
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