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Old January 5th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #41
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You can all relax now, it's out again:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110105/...luaXN0cmF0aQ--
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Old January 6th, 2011, 09:16 AM   #42
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You can all relax now, it's out again:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110105/...luaXN0cmF0aQ--
It may be out now but they will try to slip it in the back door when no one is watching.
I under stand that end of life choices are difficult and should be left up to the family on how they want to go about it.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 09:45 AM   #43
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There are going to be a lot of fucked up changes when Accountable Care Organizations take effect.

Now Dr's run too many tests, with ACO's, they will not run enough.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 10:31 AM   #44
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Let me make sure I have this right. To you guys, a "death panel" is paying a doctor to advise people on their end of life options, right?

Now, would end of life counseling still be considered a "death panel" if it was supported by the GOP, like they did in the 2003 Medicare Prescription drug bill?
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Old January 6th, 2011, 10:33 AM   #45
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Let me make sure I have this right. To you guys, a "death panel" is paying a doctor to advise people on their end of life options, right?

Now, would end of life counseling still be considered a "death panel" if it was supported by the GOP?
I believe it has more to do with doctors like Jack Kavorkien.
Besides the GOP don't support it
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Old January 6th, 2011, 11:16 AM   #46
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I believe it has more to do with doctors like Jack Kavorkien.
Besides the GOP don't support it
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009...-death-panels/

they did in 2003, but back then, it wasn't a democratic party plan, it was the GOP's. For some reason, they demonized it with the name "death panel" now...I couldn't ever imagine why? It's a good idea when it's the GOP's, but it's murdering old people when it's the Democratic Party...funny how that works.
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In any situation, you have to look at the motive of the people making these decisions. That's what makes the idea of death panels scary.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:22 PM   #48
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In any situation, you have to look at the motive of the people making these decisions. That's what makes the idea of death panels scary.
can't you be reasonable and understand that a doctor explaining a patients options is not a DEATH PANEL?
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can't you be reasonable and understand that a doctor explaining a patients options is not a DEATH PANEL?
It depends on what his motivations are. He may not present all options or he may try to persuade the patients towards an option that may not agree with your best ineterest.

Dr's and hospitals don't give a shit about your health anymore than universities care about your education. They only care about the money.
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can't you be reasonable and understand that a doctor explaining a patients options is not a DEATH PANEL?
Is that like calling insurance, health care?
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It depends on what his motivations are. He may not present all options or he may try to persuade the patients towards an option that may not agree with your best ineterest.

Dr's and hospitals don't give a shit about your health anymore than universities care about your education. They only care about the money.
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Let me make sure I have this right. To you guys, a "death panel" is paying a doctor to advise people on their end of life options, right?

Now, would end of life counseling still be considered a "death panel" if it was supported by the GOP, like they did in the 2003 Medicare Prescription drug bill?
This must mean that the depression advisement that the doctor has to give me as part of my healthly blue living assessment means he is trying to get me to kill myself? Seriously? He said "are you depressed?" and I said "what do you think?" and laughed and he was like "no and I can't believe they make me do this." What he really meant was "you can off yourself with a gun or a razorblade the most effectively."
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It depends on what his motivations are. He may not present all options or he may try to persuade the patients towards an option that may not agree with your best ineterest.

Dr's and hospitals don't give a shit about your health anymore than universities care about your education. They only care about the money.
Maybe you need a new dr? Just a though..
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Maybe you need a new dr? Just a though..
MAYBE your Doctor cares about you but when you are just a piece of paper that a panel looks at and decides if you should receive care or not, they don't give a shit. Having a wife who works in Medicaid, I know this already happens. Government run health care will be based off Medicaid.
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anyone who thinks that under the new "socialist benefits for the lazy" will not enact a death squad is a fool. this bill is nothing but new government agencies run by politicians. it isn't going to take long until they realize the only way they can try and curb costs is by killing those closest to death. read the bill just like it will give them access to your personal finance status, so will they be able to make you die. obama=lets pull a page out of stalin's playbook.
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Austrailia has socialized medicine and the government there has control of the people from the womb to the tomb. They sell abortion for any reason(partial birth) and for the elderly or noncontributing members of society that are dying and the cost to prolong the life is going to be more than they are worth, euthanasia.
How is it that we can allow a government to put a price on life?
Before you say it is not like that or it won't happen here look at what is happening in other countries that use socialized medicine as a form of care for the elderly and the really sick people. I am not talking about people with normal illnesses that are curable.
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Austrailia has socialized medicine and the government there has control of the people from the womb to the tomb. They sell abortion for any reason(partial birth) and for the elderly or noncontributing members of society that are dying and the cost to prolong the life is going to be more than they are worth, euthanasia.
How is it that we can allow a government to put a price on life?
Before you say it is not like that or it won't happen here look at what is happening in other countries that use socialized medicine as a form of care for the elderly and the really sick people. I am not talking about people with normal illnesses that are curable.
I've read what I could find in a quick search about healthcare in Australia and saw nothing about any of that. Do you have sources for this information?
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Another name for death panel

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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:45 AM   #59
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I guess there really are death panels, but not the ones that are simply just the act of discussing end of life options with a doctor.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...rage-dies.html

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011...ient-has-died/
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I guess there really are death panels, but not the ones that are simply just the act of discussing end of life options with a doctor.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...rage-dies.html

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011...ient-has-died/
So you bring me stuff that blames for the deaths of the people.
Ummmm sounds like the other thread you started about placing blame for somebody shooting people.
Obama lied people died(shrug)
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