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Old December 22nd, 2010, 12:29 PM   #21
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Then why are magazines like play boy kept behind the counter in most stores? It's a free country right? It's not a matter of Freedom, it's a matter of protecting children from things they shouldn't see at a young age. It's the same reason we have the age limits on Cigarettes, Alcohol, and pornography. The only problem is you can't accidentally click on a link and end up smoking a Cigarette or drinking a 5th of Jack.

The laws are already in place there is just no way to actually enforce them.



At least you had to be creative. It's the job of the adults to take care of the kids. If they can't manage to do that then they don't really deserve to not be regulated.
You realize those laws create curiousity and mischief because kids are sheltered from everything instead of things being explained.

I'm not against keeping porn sites out of the hands of children. That's where parenting comes in. You can buy software to help, use other parental controls, etc. This is not something the government should get involved in, as is true with a large majority of things.
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You realize those laws create curiousity and mischief because kids are sheltered from everything instead of things being explained.

I'm not against keeping porn sites out of the hands of children. That's where parenting comes in. You can buy software to help, use other parental controls, etc. This is not something the government should get involved in, as is true with a large majority of things.
It's nude chicks and sex, Middle school boys need no law to peak their curiosity in that. .


I know it's the parents job. I'm just saying it's Way to easy. No amount of Software can completely cover all the bases either. I knew more about computers then my parents and I'm sure kids know plenty more then thier parents now a days. IMO, it's just like putting a stack of Porno in your kids desk draw and saying "Don't look at that". Then having no follow through if they do.
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Yeah, and when I was a kid we would sneak a Penthouse out of the party store. Kids will find a way so why regulate the adults?
I remember when I first saw the Farrah Fawcett centerfold, I thought my eyes were going to explode.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 01:59 PM   #24
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It's nude chicks and sex, Middle school boys need no law to peak their curiosity in that. .


I know it's the parents job. I'm just saying it's Way to easy. No amount of Software can completely cover all the bases either. I knew more about computers then my parents and I'm sure kids know plenty more then thier parents now a days. IMO, it's just like putting a stack of Porno in your kids desk draw and saying "Don't look at that". Then having no follow through if they do.
So your intelligent solution is to get the government involved? Really?

What's not easy is for parents to actually talk to their kids and explain things, and that's exactly what the problem is.

It's no secret the world is a dirty place. Shielding kids from that and not explaining the pitfalls and dangers in life only hurts them.
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So your intelligent solution is to get the government involved? Really?

What's not easy is for parents to actually talk to their kids and explain things, and that's exactly what the problem is.

It's no secret the world is a dirty place. Shielding kids from that and not explaining the pitfalls and dangers in life only hurts them.
I'm too lazy to look back at what I've said from the Beginning but I'm pretty sure I've never said anything about Governmental Control of it. You're making the assumption because of the topic matter (which is understandable) but I never actually said I'm for the Government taking control of it. I just said something needs to be done to restrict it a bit more and/or to enforce the laws.

We should teach our kids what the Effects of things of this nature are. I totally agree. I'm just not going to show them (Nor will I ever show them) hard core porn when they are 6. Two clicks away and they end up in a site that Nuggets probably would throw up to.

To continue my example. It would be the equivalent of taking the Magazines from the Front rack to behind the counter. At least there is a Barrier that they have to cross to get to it.
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People are trying to childproof the world when they should be worldproofing their children.
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People are trying to childproof the world when they should be worldproofing their children.
Exactly. I never once childproofed my house, nothing in the plugs, nothing keeping my cabinets shut, no gates by the stairs, nothing. I houseproofed my child, next step is school bus proofing and elementary proofing my son. It's a real fucking world out there people, prepare for it, uncle sam and big brother can not protect you forever. You have to make your own choices in life.
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Where did you hear that? That sounds like something that would take many writers over many days to draw up
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It's easy to get people on board with losing freedoms if you are doing it for their own safety or for the children. I have raised a teenager and you have to watch everything they do or teach them to be responsible and trustworthy. I think a lot of parents would rather not put in the time to do that for their kids and hope the government will backfill what they are lacking.
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It's easy to get people on board with losing freedoms if you are doing it for their own safety or for the children. I have raised a teenager and you have to watch everything they do or teach them to be responsible and trustworthy. I think a lot of parents would rather not put in the time to do that for their kids and hope the government will backfill what they are lacking.
The truth in this statement is sickening.
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The truth in this statement is sickening.
And unfortunately it is true in all aspects of life, education, work (or lack there of), and even the internet. I recall when I was in my early teens, and interested in the material in question, I had to go out of my way not only to see it, but to keep from getting caught. I did not have a computer in my room, it was in a family area, and I knew that my parents would be more than happy to search the computer and even my room to find stuff that they did not approve of as suitable for me. I spent more energy and time trying to get away with stuff than I would have if I just had left well enough alone.

I believe the majority of parents need to "grow up" and focus their attention to their family and not the next pay raise or trying to keep up with the Lopez's.
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I'm just saying it's Way to easy.

What? Kids seeing porn on the internets is the "Way to easy"? Like, if a girl see porn, that sets her on the way to being easy?

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The amount of hotness behind these two posts isn't.
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It's easy to get people on board with losing freedoms if you are doing it for their own safety or for the children. I have raised a teenager and you have to watch everything they do or teach them to be responsible and trustworthy. I think a lot of parents would rather not put in the time to do that for their kids and hope the government will backfill what they are lacking.
First off, I want to say I agree with you guys. The best way to protect your child from this is teaching them to be careful and raising them up "World Proof".

But, As I've been saying this hole thread, 18+ for that material has been a law for???? Since I was a kid at least. I don't think they need to add more restrictions but they do need to figure out a way to better way enforce this law. Alot of the Sites out there don't even have the "Enter/do not enter" page any more. It's just one click and you're into pictures I, let alone a child, would never want to see.

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What? Kids seeing porn on the internets is the "Way to easy"? Like, if a girl see porn, that sets her on the way to being easy?

I'm saying that you no longer have to figure out how to get around the counter and sneak a Playboy from the 7-11. You just have to click once, Lie about your age (which there is no way for verification in some cases) and then boom, You're in. Half the time you don't even have to verify your age. There are so many strange perversions in this world any more; a kid could be looking for a toy and end up seeing pictures of candy canes in places they will never be able to get out of their heads. It's to Easy.
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First off, I want to say I agree with you guys. The best way to protect your child from this is teaching them to be careful and raising them up "World Proof".

But, As I've been saying this hole thread, 18+ for that material has been a law for???? Since I was a kid at least. I don't think they need to add more restrictions but they do need to figure out a way to better way enforce this law. Alot of the Sites out there don't even have the "Enter/do not enter" page any more. It's just one click and you're into pictures I, let alone a child, would never want to see.



I'm saying that you no longer have to figure out how to get around the counter and sneak a Playboy from the 7-11. You just have to click once, Lie about your age (which there is no way for verification in some cases) and then boom, You're in. Half the time you don't even have to verify your age. There are so many strange perversions in this world any more; a kid could be looking for a toy and end up seeing pictures of candy canes in places they will never be able to get out of their heads. It's to Easy.
You can put software on your own pc to limit the access for profiles on the PC. That means you could put child restrictions on an account your child use but you can surf without restriction. It's as easy to do if you are not a dumb ass, can google, and follow directions. If you want to get to that level of security and tracking do it on your own but please keep uncle sam out of my access rights.
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You can put software on your own pc to limit the access for profiles on the PC. That means you could put child restrictions on an account your child use but you can surf without restriction. It's as easy to do if you are not a dumb ass, can google, and follow directions. If you want to get to that level of security and tracking do it on your own but please keep uncle sam out of my access rights.
I don't want Unckie Sam in your access rights. I thought I've made that clear.

It's still shouldn't be that easy to access things that are supposed to be 18+ material. Just as easy as it is for me to go buy a software program (which I will do once my kids get to that age) it would be that easy for them (the webmasters) to put one more thing to verify age before the Explicit material flows.
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I don't want Unckie Sam in your access rights. I thought I've made that clear.

It's still shouldn't be that easy to access things that are supposed to be 18+ material. Just as easy as it is for me to go buy a software program (which I will do once my kids get to that age) it would be that easy for them (the webmasters) to put one more thing to verify age before the Explicit material flows.
Not all sites are hosted in the U.S. so who is going to set those laws for the WORLDWIDE web and enforce them? I really think it would be easier to have people handle their own access rights.
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Not all sites are hosted in the U.S. so who is going to set those laws for the WORLDWIDE web and enforce them? I really think it would be easier to have people handle their own access rights.
I think it would be good to have a mixture of both. But that's just ideas. Logistically, It'll never happen.
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