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Old December 22nd, 2010, 09:42 PM   #61
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His version is correct and God does exist to those who believe.
glad you finally clarified that. cause you had not said that in earlier post.


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His version is correct and God does exist to those who believe.
You're not LC4X. You're welcome to answer for yourself, but I wouldn't consider that an appropriate answer since it doesn't answer the question.

"God does exist to those who believe." So then we could say that God doesn't exist to those who don't believe. Sounds about right.


but what convinced you?
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You're not LC4X. You're welcome to answer for yourself, but I wouldn't consider that an appropriate answer since it doesn't answer the question.

"God does exist to those who believe." So then we could say that God doesn't exist to those who don't believe. Sounds about right.


but what convinced you?
He still does exist wheather you believe or not. You don't believe so he does not exist according to you.
I have always believed there was a God. It was only when I searched for Him that He made Himself known to me.
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He still does exist wheather you believe or not. You don't believe so he does not exist according to you.
I have always believed there was a God. It was only when I searched for Him that He made Himself known to me.
I don't believe you. Nobody is born already believing in a deity.
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jeff "the dude" dowd is the choen brother's inspiration for "the dude"
But he is not "the Dude" He is only the Inspiration for the Character. Unless, of course, the choen bros just copied his life story. That would ruin that movie for me. Honestly.

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What convinced you that your version of Christianity is correct and that a god exists?
I'll start with the second aspect.

I believed God existed because my parents brought me up to. It's just that simple as far as that goes. It's not the reason I believe today though. I believe in God today because of the countless things he's done for me and how I've seen his glory be reviled through my life. Now, this isn't just Coincidental stuff. Needs being brought to my family that nobody knew about, Prayers that I didn't tell anybody about being asnwered, an unfathomed amount of comfort and peace about a very tough time in my life. Also, I've tried to disprove God many times in my life by asking for Impossible things. He's come through every time.

I've head stories from Other ministries that have experienced very similar things. It's as simple as Aber said. If you seek after God, He will seek after you. But you have to do it with your whole heart.

Jeremiah 29:11-14

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11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back from captivity.[b] I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile.”
Even though this is from the old testament it still rings true. God wants us to seek after him with all our hearts. That's why Jesus Died. So we could do that with out having to worry about the Ceremonies of the Jewish faith. That and so that us non-Jewish could also be included.

That's why I believe what I do. I've tested it and God has done nothing but show himself to me. Granted, sometimes he doesn't do it the way you want, but he still shows up.

The first part.....

What I believe as far as Dogma changes often. I believe in the basics. Just like anybody else what I believe is based on how I was raised and the Experiences I've had. One thing that never changes though is that I am a Sinful man in need of the Saving Grace of God. No matter how Good I am, how well I debate, or how dirty my apartment is, I can't meet God's Standards and it's only by his Grace that we are allowed to accept what Christ did for us. It's not by us but by his Grace.
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But he is not "the Dude" He is only the Inspiration for the Character. Unless, of course, the choen bros just copied his life story. That would ruin that movie for me. Honestly.



I'll start with the second aspect.

I believed God existed because my parents brought me up to. It's just that simple as far as that goes. It's not the reason I believe today though. I believe in God today because of the countless things he's done for me and how I've seen his glory be reviled through my life. Now, this isn't just Coincidental stuff. Needs being brought to my family that nobody knew about, Prayers that I didn't tell anybody about being asnwered, an unfathomed amount of comfort and peace about a very tough time in my life. Also, I've tried to disprove God many times in my life by asking for Impossible things. He's come through every time.

I've head stories from Other ministries that have experienced very similar things. It's as simple as Aber said. If you seek after God, He will seek after you. But you have to do it with your whole heart.

Jeremiah 29:11-14



Even though this is from the old testament it still rings true. God wants us to seek after him with all our hearts. That's why Jesus Died. So we could do that with out having to worry about the Ceremonies of the Jewish faith. That and so that us non-Jewish could also be included.

That's why I believe what I do. I've tested it and God has done nothing but show himself to me. Granted, sometimes he doesn't do it the way you want, but he still shows up.

The first part.....

What I believe as far as Dogma changes often. I believe in the basics. Just like anybody else what I believe is based on how I was raised and the Experiences I've had. One thing that never changes though is that I am a Sinful man in need of the Saving Grace of God. No matter how Good I am, how well I debate, or how dirty my apartment is, I can't meet God's Standards and it's only by his Grace that we are allowed to accept what Christ did for us. It's not by us but by his Grace.

I'm sure that we all have questions about God and if He is real that He would give us a sign of some kind, verification so to speak.
Well a few years ago I was asking alot and not hearing from God. He did answer me, but not as one would think.

I was painting the inside of the Christian Book Store in Fenton. Between running back and forth to my truck and getting myself ready to begin painting I saw a guy pull up, park and get out of his truck. We looked at each other and aknowledged one another. We began a conversation, it didn't take long for me to relize this guy was a Christian. He informed me and said, "Abe I've got something for you". He grabbed his big thick bible from the back seat and began to flip through it until he came to read me Jeremiah 29:11,12,13.
I thought cool.
We chatted for a bit, he went into the bookstore for books, I went into the bookstore to get to work. I thought about the conversation we had and that was about it.
The next day I was working at the bookstore and a friend called me up and said he wanted to meet me for lunch. I told him were I was and he asked if we could get together at noon. I said sure and went to lunch at YA,YAs chicken. Anyway we meet up, he gets his food and sits down at a table I get my food and sit at the table. We start with some small talk and he says to me, "Abe I've got something for you".He looks at me and slides me a tract across the table. I look at it and guess what the tract says?

Jeremiah 29:11,12,13
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, " plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek meand find me when you seek me with all your heart.

At that moment my jaw hit the table and I was completely overwhemled with joy. I could not speak for what seemed like an hour. I was amazed that God had comfirmed His message to me through a second person that had no idea what happened a day prior.
What really made this great was that both guys I spoke with told me in the same way, "Abe I've got something for you".
God is real and will show up when you least expect it, but like it says, seek Him with your whole heart.
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Ah, your name is Abe. Nice story.
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I'm sure that we all have questions about God and if He is real that He would give us a sign of some kind, verification so to speak.
Well a few years ago I was asking alot and not hearing from God. He did answer me, but not as one would think.

I was painting the inside of the Christian Book Store in Fenton. Between running back and forth to my truck and getting myself ready to begin painting I saw a guy pull up, park and get out of his truck. We looked at each other and aknowledged one another. We began a conversation, it didn't take long for me to relize this guy was a Christian. He informed me and said, "Abe I've got something for you". He grabbed his big thick bible from the back seat and began to flip through it until he came to read me Jeremiah 29:11,12,13.
I thought cool.
We chatted for a bit, he went into the bookstore for books, I went into the bookstore to get to work. I thought about the conversation we had and that was about it.
The next day I was working at the bookstore and a friend called me up and said he wanted to meet me for lunch. I told him were I was and he asked if we could get together at noon. I said sure and went to lunch at YA,YAs chicken. Anyway we meet up, he gets his food and sits down at a table I get my food and sit at the table. We start with some small talk and he says to me, "Abe I've got something for you".He looks at me and slides me a tract across the table. I look at it and guess what the tract says?

Jeremiah 29:11,12,13
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, " plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek meand find me when you seek me with all your heart.

At that moment my jaw hit the table and I was completely overwhemled with joy. I could not speak for what seemed like an hour. I was amazed that God had comfirmed His message to me through a second person that had no idea what happened a day prior.
What really made this great was that both guys I spoke with told me in the same way, "Abe I've got something for you".
God is real and will show up when you least expect it, but like it says, seek Him with your whole heart.
Awesome story! God Is Good!
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That would not have convinved me of much besides the evangelical nature of christians. I would require more than that.
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That would not have convinved me of much besides the evangelical nature of christians. I would require more than that.
I figured as much coming from you. What are the chances that two men not knowing each other and each of them give me the same scripture one day apart? The scripture confirmed what I have been asking th Lord about. And to top it off the same guy from Fenton called me a few years after the first encounter. I had been at odds why I have not been hearing from God. It seemed like a dry spell. When thins get like that Christians will pray and ask God questions. So I wait and wait and wait.... one day out of the blue my friend from Fenton cals me up and aske me how am I doing? I say I'm doing ok, pushing along and getting through life. He says to me, in a way that someone would be giving a message from somebody else. He says," Abe you are a good man and have a good heart". Which are the feelings I have been feeling for awhile, feeling worthy? or not, unsure and alone. What he said to me confimed what I have been feeling and God answering me that I am His child and I am worthy of Him.
When you have a moment with God you know it and cannot be denied. But the enemy will at that moment come and attempt to put doubt in your mind and give reasons why it was nothing and to ignore what you just experienced.
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