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Old December 13th, 2010, 08:13 AM   #21
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Adam and Eve is somewhat proven by the human Genome Project. Thier findings, as far as I remember, is that we all came from two ancestors.

It also makes more sense for us to come from only two Ancestors because of Sheer probability. If we came from goo and that only happened because the Conditions were just right then to think that that would happen more then once or twice in the same place is pretty iffy.

I also think you guys are arguing Perspectives. I can pray and ask for specific things to happen. "God Please let me know about this job by Friday" something like that. He has before. That night. I see an answered prayer, you see coincidence. When a new scientific discovery comes out showing the complexity of life I see God's Design. You may see something else.
I'm not bashing Christians, as I don't have proof that what you base your faith upon ISN'T real. That being said, I won't hide my feelings that I think some of what a person of religion posts is laughable (or laudible, for that matter).

As far as coming from Adam and Eve, and what I understand of science, I don't believe we could have come from two people. Adam and Eve had two sons, correct?

So, and I am being as serious as possible here:

Adam and Eve produced Cain and Abel.

If this is where we came from, that suggests that Eve bore children from having intercourse with her sons. I would imagine they must have continued this until a daughter / sister was born, whereupon they started having sex with her as she came of age, as would the other offspring.

Seriously, for the Bible (God) to forbid sodomy, sex during menstration, divorce, infidelity, etc - it seems that incest would also be pretty high up on the list. This is the kind of story that always leads me back to the hypothesis that MAN needed a way to control others. Not corrupt control, at least at first (IMHO), as the Ten Commandments are excellent moral codes to live by - except the first one, where absolute fidelity to God is required.

We've discussed this before, so I won't continue to pee in Nick's thread.

All I know is this - you fukc your sister, your kids ain't going to be right. Maybe that's how the Muslims started out.
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Old December 13th, 2010, 08:24 AM   #22
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We have witnesses to the account that have been documented as to what happened to Christ. Just as we had witnesses to the death of Lincoln, to what Washington did and they are written in books by witnesses and taught to us as history.
As for miracles, they do happen. A lady in our church had a disease of her eyes and was going blind. Her glasses were so thick and still could not see very well. The doctors told her she would eventually be blind. She and all of us in the church prayed and asked God to restore her vision. One day shortly after that she woke up one morning and no longer needed her glasses at all. I would say thats a miracle. Another miracle is the birth of a baby, from comception to birth. we still don't know how everything happens, the eyes, being able to see, how does that happen? The heart, how does that begin to beat? We are so accustomed to see things daily that we write of the miraculous as every day happenings.
In third world countries people do come back from the dead.
I don't dispute miracle happen, just when you wrote: "Today doctors see miracles all the time". Sounds like the woman that regained her failing sight did recieve a miracle, and that is a wonderful thing.

As for third world countries, and people coming back from the dead, let me pose this question: Do you believe there may be a fundamental flaw in the process of pronouncing death?

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Old December 13th, 2010, 09:12 AM   #23
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I don't dispute miracle happen, just when you wrote: "Today doctors see miracles all the time". Sounds like the woman that regained her failing sight did recieve a miracle, and that is a wonderful thing.

As for third world countries, and people coming back from the dead, let me pose this question: Do you believe there may be a fundamental flaw in the process of pronouncing death?

Your question about somebody not being quaified to pronounce somebody dead, very possible. I have heard stories from missionaries that have spent time in very poor countries and have seen people being raised from the dead, that they themselves have seen. Huge leap even for me to believe.

John 20:29 Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
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I'm not bashing Christians, as I don't have proof that what you base your faith upon ISN'T real. That being said, I won't hide my feelings that I think some of what a person of religion posts is laughable (or laudible, for that matter).

As far as coming from Adam and Eve, and what I understand of science, I don't believe we could have come from two people. Adam and Eve had two sons, correct?

So, and I am being as serious as possible here:

Adam and Eve produced Cain and Abel.

If this is where we came from, that suggests that Eve bore children from having intercourse with her sons. I would imagine they must have continued this until a daughter / sister was born, whereupon they started having sex with her as she came of age, as would the other offspring.

Seriously, for the Bible (God) to forbid sodomy, sex during menstration, divorce, infidelity, etc - it seems that incest would also be pretty high up on the list. This is the kind of story that always leads me back to the hypothesis that MAN needed a way to control others. Not corrupt control, at least at first (IMHO), as the Ten Commandments are excellent moral codes to live by - except the first one, where absolute fidelity to God is required.

We've discussed this before, so I won't continue to pee in Nick's thread.

All I know is this - you fukc your sister, your kids ain't going to be right. Maybe that's how the Muslims started out.
Yeah, we have been over this. Adam and Eve had perfect blood lines though and that was before God gave the Laws.
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It also said Adam and Eve had many children with very pure bloodlines. At the point when the bloodlines were thinned so to speak, that is when God said no more playing with your little sister. And wo knows how long that was. Maybe there could have been thousands of people by then or more.
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But, well, just - ewww!
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But, well, just - ewww!
I think that although they were intelligent compared to animals they were still very raw when it came to humans of todays standards.

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Dude, wait. What?
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is he hinting at some sort of evolution?
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I think they although they were intelligent compared to animals they were still very raw when it came to humans of todays standards.
X2. Think about it. They had completely different morals back then. No women's rights, no cars, no Great lakes 4x4. I know that's hard to imagine though. . They were so different back then. Is that what you meant woohaw?
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X2. Think about it. They had completely different morals back then. No women's rights, no cars, no Great lakes 4x4. I know that's hard to imagine though. . They were so different back then. Is that what you meant woohaw?
I have no idea what you mean they had good bloodlines? Anything else I have seen that is inbred becomes worse.

The whole thing confuses me. When the one dude was sent away from his family he went to live with other people. If his family were the only other people then who did he go live with .. with his mark?
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X2. Think about it. They had completely different morals back then. No women's rights, no cars, no Great lakes 4x4. I know that's hard to imagine though. . They were so different back then. Is that what you meant woohaw?
You must need to be Christian to get the message here.
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X2. Think about it. They had completely different morals back then. No women's rights, no cars, no Great lakes 4x4. I know that's hard to imagine though. . They were so different back then. Is that what you meant woohaw?
Yes, life was simple and they didn't know much. Life was very different. More different then you or I could ever imagine.
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I have no idea what you mean they had good bloodlines? Anything else I have seen that is inbred becomes worse.

The whole thing confuses me. When the one dude was sent away from his family he went to live with other people. If his family were the only other people then who did he go live with .. with his mark?
No, Adam and Eve where, before the fall, perfect. They didn't have defects and neither did thier DNA. It's after many many years of in breeding that God put out the laws that he did because of the possibility of mutations.

I'd be interested to find out what "dude" you're talking about.

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We think that they weren't as civilized as us. They didn't have the same morals or societal norms as we do now. Just like we think it's wrong for a 25 year old man to impregnate a 14 year old girl, but not to long ago that was common practice. Our culture is not thier culture.
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Yes, life was simple and they didn't know much. Life was very different. More different then you or I could ever imagine.
I agree.

Fucking my mom and/or my sister is more different than I could imagine.
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I agree.

Fucking my mom and/or my sister is more different than I could imagine.
True, because of the society you live in.
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True, because of the society you live in.
No, it's more because my maw lost one titty to breast cancer, and both my sisters are not sexually appealing.

Seriously, I don't think I could fukc my mommy, even if God were to give me a high five and a pack of marbs after I finished.
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No, it's more because my maw lost one titty to breast cancer, and both my sisters are not sexually appealing.

Seriously, I don't think I could fukc my mommy, even if God were to give me a high five and a pack of marbs after I finished.
Didn't realize you were a breast man and sorry to hear you have ugly unsexually appealing sisters but would you even know what sexually appealing was if you were Cain or Able?
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...but would you even know what sexually appealing was if you were Cain or Able?
Precisely. So maybe after many unsuccessful attempts to reproduce via buttsecks, they went after their mother.

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