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Old December 11th, 2010, 10:20 AM   #21
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I dont think renters should be allowed to vote on local levels and how to spend thier tax dollars...they put nothing into taxes so why should they be allowed to vote on how its spent...last time I check renters dont pay property taxes
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I dont think renters should be allowed to vote on local levels and how to spend thier tax dollars...they put nothing into taxes so why should they be allowed to vote on how its spent...last time I check renters dont pay property taxes
You bring up a very good point. This would make people want to become responsible and want more for themselves, like to become a homeowner and to put into the community. Not saying renters don't but being a homeowner would do more for the economy in the long run.
When I first read the post I was somewhat against it but it does make sence on a local level.
You swayed my vote HCH
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Old December 11th, 2010, 10:38 AM   #23
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I'm really (not) surprised at the tea party goofs who say they are all about the constitution and individual rights thinking it's a good idea to take voting rights away from people...
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Old December 11th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #24
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I'm really (not) surprised at the tea party goofs who say they are all about the constitution and individual rights thinking it's a good idea to take voting rights away from people...
Where does the US constitution give PEOPLE the right to vote???
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Old December 11th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #25
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Where does the US constitution give PEOPLE the right to vote???
You must have not seen the liberal version.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:04 PM   #26
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Where does the US constitution give PEOPLE the right to vote???
Here's one,

19th ammendment:

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:05 PM   #27
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You must have not seen the liberal version.
Have you done some reading with conspiratorial twisting of the constitution to show that we don't have the right to vote?
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Old December 11th, 2010, 08:12 PM   #28
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Here's one,

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"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
Where does it explicitely say that people have the right to vote?

This says that if State chose to give you the right to vote, that they cannot deny you a right to vote on account of sex.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 08:21 PM   #29
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Where does it explicitely say that people have the right to vote?

This says that if State chose to give you the right to vote, that they cannot deny you a right to vote on account of sex.
where does it say "if the state chooses to give you the right to vote" in that? it says " the right to vote shall not be denied based on sex" , therefore it is a right to vote.

Regardless, where are going with this?
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where does it say "if the state chooses to give you the right to vote" in that? it says " the right to vote shall not be denied based on sex" , therefore it is a right to vote.
lol...that's not what federal courts said.
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Have you done some reading with conspiratorial twisting of the constitution to show that we don't have the right to vote?
No, just basic logic. You rent so therfore you have no merrit on issues since you have no property tax.
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No, just basic logic. You rent so therfore you have no merrit on issues since you have no property tax.
Property tax is only one tax that is levied upon Americans. There are other taxes that I pay.
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Property tax is only one tax that is levied upon Americans. There are other taxes that I pay.
Sure, vote on those. Please refrain from voting to raise a mill that you won't be paying for.

But in general I wouldn't mind keepinf renters from voting on anything. It was used to keep the blacks out but that excuse is no longer valid.
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Sure, vote on those. Please refrain from voting to raise a mill that you won't be paying for.

But in general I wouldn't mind keepinf renters from voting on anything. It was used to keep the blacks out but that excuse is no longer valid.
wow, you've come a long way.
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wow, you've come a long way.
Values change as you age and understanding the value of owning property and what comes along with it.

Someday you'll possibly see the same benefits but I understand why this option seems so horrible at this stage in your life.

On the bright side it must be nice calling a LL to fix a leaky faucet.
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Once a reliable mechanism of electronic voting is developed, I would support a movement toward segmenting the voting population.

All eligible voters are able to vote in the election of candidates for office, limited as they re today to candidates running their respective districts.

Applying the same, already existing standard, only actual taxpayers would be able to vote on matters of taxation. For instance, only property owners could vote on property tax increases.

I can't think of any examples where voting occurs on any other taxes, but the same concept would apply.

Obviously, everyone would be eligible to vote on virtually all other initiatives for their district...
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When I see thing's like Obama getting elected, Dingle getting re elected, Granholm, Kennedy, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Dodds, Kilpatrick, Marion Berry, things like that make me think maybe we do need to re think who sould snd shouldn't vote.
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Once a reliable mechanism of electronic voting is developed, I would support a movement toward segmenting the voting population.

All eligible voters are able to vote in the election of candidates for office, limited as they re today to candidates running their respective districts.

Applying the same, already existing standard, only actual taxpayers would be able to vote on matters of taxation. For instance, only property owners could vote on property tax increases.

I can't think of any examples where voting occurs on any other taxes, but the same concept would apply.

Obviously, everyone would be eligible to vote on virtually all other initiatives for their district...
If we get electronic voting, why can't we just have a direct democracy instead of representative one?
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Old December 12th, 2010, 10:55 PM   #39
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I dont think renters should be allowed to vote on local levels and how to spend thier tax dollars...they put nothing into taxes so why should they be allowed to vote on how its spent...last time I check renters dont pay property taxes
Last time I checked the owners of rental property still paid taxes. that expense is passed on, either directly or indirectly, to the renters.
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Last time I checked the owners of rental property still paid taxes. that expense is passed on, either directly or indirectly, to the renters.
hardly...the levy amount on a rental property arent even close to a home owner...
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