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Old December 6th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #1
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so I'm going to be building a ZJ. 36's. 4:56's. spool in the rear. open front. I plan on getting my brackets from TNT so I have lots of options there.

idea #1. HP 30. WJ knuckles for Hi steer. Ford 8.8.

idea #2. Fullsize 44. Ford 9". Bad thing here is I would have to run 8 lug for Hi steer correct?

idea #3. EB 44 and 8.8.

I like the fullsize idea the best but I have 75% of the stuff for option #1. as well as the ease of axle shaft replacement.
but opption #2 would be stronger and possibly cheaper, yes?
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Old December 6th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #2
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I like #2
run chevy knuckles for high steer
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html
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Old December 6th, 2010, 09:32 PM   #3
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and here's another thought maybe.. waggys....
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Old December 6th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #4
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I like #2
run chevy knuckles for high steer
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html
so if I run the chevy knuckles I get a ford ttb spindle to keep my 5 on 5.5?
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Old December 6th, 2010, 10:15 PM   #5
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Yes it should swap over.

#2 Isn't going to be far and away stronger. The 9" isn't any stronger stock. It can be built, but so can a 8.8. Including 33 or 35 spline axles and spools.

You do give up some pinion longevity. I say longevity because the 8.8 pinion bearings seem to wear out with lots of miles.

The 44 will get you a bigger R/P but not bigger U-joints.



I would swap in the 8.8, run the D30, and work on narrowing a D44 to match (so you have a HP center section vs the EB axles) E/B axles are low pinion right?

You can do some pretty slick stuff in the future with the D44, so I would look to get that in the front for sure. From 35 spline ARB's and even a 35 spline open carrier, to D50 gears, and D60 U-joints. You could build a D60/D44 hybrid.

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Old December 7th, 2010, 08:47 AM   #6
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#1 with the tnt truss on it your not going to gain much from a 44. Or build a 30/44 hybrid if you want lockouts
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#1. If you aren't completely retarded on the skinny the 30 will hold up okay to 36s open. As has been noted, the 44 doesn't gain you much since it shares the same u-joint with the 30. You could polish the shit out of the 44 to make it bulletproof but with the amount of money you'd dump into you could've damn near built 'tons.
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tons are pointless with 36's tho. from what I read they are only worth it for 38's+. I do like fullwidth tho....
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tons are pointless with 36's tho. from what I read they are only worth it for 38's+. I do like fullwidth tho....
Pointless how (other than a 14b dragging on the ground)? If you have any intentions of upgrading I would argue otherwise.
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Pointless how (other than a 14b dragging on the ground)? If you have any intentions of upgrading I would argue otherwise.
don't you lose clearance with a 60 up front too? either way. no plans on going over 36's and I don't break my 30 yet so.
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Yeah you do lose some, but my point was from a cost perspective it doesn't make a ton of sense to build the shit out of a 44. If you aren't ever going past 36s, well then maybe it does make more sense to build a 44. That being said, run the 30 til it explodes before you invest any more money in it.
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Yeah you do lose some, but my point was from a cost perspective it doesn't make a ton of sense to build the shit out of a 44. If you aren't ever going past 36s, well then maybe it does make more sense to build a 44. That being said, run the 30 til it explodes before you invest any more money in it.
exactly. I don't plan on building the shit outta any of these combo's.
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#2 and no you don't need 8 lug for the high steer. Just some ideas...
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I would just run the 30 and carry an extra set of shafts. They are cheap and easy to pull and replace. For what you would put into the 44, there is not enough gain in strength to justify the cost. I just went thought the same thing you are with the same vehicle. Spent countless hours researching and whatnot. I have been running a D30 with the Warn lockout kit and lockrite locker for just over a year and it has been fine IF you are reasonable on the skinny pedal like Ajmorell noted. I am running 37's and know I am pushing the limit, but it does fine. However, before all the comments start about a D30 & 37's, yes I just bought a D60 and am building it this winter so I can wheel and not worry.
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