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Old November 28th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #1
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Which Heim joint have you gone with and why? I am looking at the Creeper joint from Foothill offroad.com I was just looking at some feed back on the other joints. The Johnny joint, teraflex joint, Rubecon express joint. Just courious to what you have heard about all of them
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Old November 28th, 2010, 08:26 PM   #2
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here ya go ryan
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...nt_p_1626.html
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Old November 28th, 2010, 08:46 PM   #3
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ballistics tend to wear out very quickly. They can be adjusted but you better like doing it before every trip. No fun. I personally have johnny joints and couldn't be happier. Zero slop after 2 years of use and if ever needed they are very easy to rebuild. I went with the 1" shank and should have gotten the 1.25 shank because if my jam nuts gets loosened on a rock the 1" shank tends to bend a bit. Although I got a good way of fixing them in a press now.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #4
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Old November 29th, 2010, 09:00 AM   #5
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anything that you can adjust stay away from.they fall apart fast.ruff stuff make some sweet inch and a quarter heims.i have had johnny joints for 4 years.have one bad now, so i am putting all big ruff stuff heims in now.
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buy rough stuff heims, and replace them every ~3 years. Still a ton cheaper than JJs, summit joints, etc.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 09:19 AM   #7
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buy rough stuff heims, and replace them every ~3 years. Still a ton cheaper than JJs, summit joints, etc.
JJ's with 1.25" shank are under $40.... The Ruff Stuff 1.25" heim alone is $48... That is not even including misalignment spacers for the heims... JJ's are a solid way to go. Been running JJ's with 1.25" shanks for over 3 years with zero issues.
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JJ's with 1.25" shank are under $40.... The Ruff Stuff 1.25" heim alone is $48... That is not even including misalignment spacers for the heims... JJ's are a solid way to go. Been running JJ's with 1.25" shanks for over 3 years with zero issues.
99.9% of the people here don't need a 1.25" heim joint. A 3/4 heim joint will be plenty strong and survive for years, and they are only $13 a piece. A 1.25" heim would last longer than the rig it is installed on.
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A 3/4"x7/8" is the bare minimum for a lower link and then you're into bending shanks. That puts you up to a 1x1 with a misalignment/ reducing spacer and at that point, you might as well do a 1x1.25 so you never have to worry about it.

If you get ballistic joints you have to get the solid races otherwise they don't last.

I like how low maintenance the currie Johnny joints are. You can also get them with 5/8" thru bolts if you order them correctly. And currie has some of the best prices on jam nuts I've found.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #10
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A 3/4"x7/8" is the bare minimum for a lower link and then you're into bending shanks.
Then you're adjusting your heim joint out way too far. You shouldn't bend a 3/4 x 7/8 heim. I never even bent a 3/4 3/4 on my old rig. Look at the abuse Mike's old rig held up to as well.
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We've run the FK or QA1 chromo's for years the only time we had issues is if we were in a wreck.i should note this is in a short course off road race enviroment, Brutal
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People bend 7/8" shanks, it happens. 3 threads sticking out is enough to do it. The other stress riser is between the threads and the bore for the spherical bearing. I've seen them stretch and tear in that area.

But none of those failures happen during typical use. Usually landing on a link near the ends is what will cause a failure.

That's why I think it's cheap insurance to get 1.25" lower shanks and at least 3/4" upper shanks with 5/8" or larger bolts.
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I love my FK 1.25" lowers and i don't have to worry about them at all. JJ are the best i have see so far as a rebuild able joint like that.. i have heard and see the ballistics wear out quick and the creeper joints fall apart.
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silly question - how does this translate to choosing a sufficient joint for OTR use?
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silly question - how does this translate to choosing a sufficient joint for OTR use?
For your application- I'd do currie Johnny joints. 1" shank lowers with 9/16" bolts. For the upper, 3/4x7/8 heims on the frame and a 1.25x1.0 on the axle with the bolt vertical.

If you want something specifically different then you can make some substitutions without and downsides.
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Then you're adjusting your heim joint out way too far. You shouldn't bend a 3/4 x 7/8 heim. I never even bent a 3/4 3/4 on my old rig. Look at the abuse Mike's old rig held up to as well.
I sure like reading this. My junk will be using 3/4 x 3/4 heims. I have worried about how long they will last. I think I will carry spares and try not to think about it.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 09:11 AM   #17
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i can get ruff stuff 1 1/4 heims with bung,misalignment and jam nut for 52 bucks each.they actually have deals from ruff stuff 100 a link.extreme off road always has good deals on these heims also.
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i can get ruff stuff .... bung,misalignment and jam nut....extreme ...
Sorry, is it wrong that this makes my shorts get tight?

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i can get ruff stuff 1 1/4 heims with bung,misalignment and jam nut for 52 bucks each.they actually have deals from ruff stuff 100 a link.extreme off road always has good deals on these heims also.
casey says your prices suck and he can get them much cheaper
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I sure like reading this. My junk will be using 3/4 x 3/4 heims. I have worried about how long they will last. I think I will carry spares and try not to think about it.
I'd recommend 3/4x5/8 heims over 3/4x3/4 due to the increase in strength. Or at least compare them before buying. Last I remember most 3/4 x 3/4 heims were rated at about 25K, vs 40K on the 3/4x5/8. (3/4" shank with 5/8" bolt)
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