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Old February 18th, 2011, 10:36 AM   #381
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The Art Carrs had some nice off-road gates for some models that allowed the shift from 1st to R without any gates.

I've not heard of anyone liking the Lokar for that style, there's nothing to let you shift to R to avoid a roll, without accidentally hitting some other gear.


Get one like the pro stick, and grind out the gates like everyone does. BillaVista has a big detailed article on it. I will set mine so that shoving all the way forward is reverse, shoving all the way forward when pulling the trigger is neutral.
http://www.racereadyproducts.com/aut...awler-shifter/

Just found this on pirate...what do you think???

Actually cheaper then Lokar as well because lokar does not include cable or boot with their shifters in most cases. Didn't see mention of one for a 4l80 tho

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Old February 18th, 2011, 10:37 AM   #382
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i think we need to take in account the brain cells erin has cooked over the years before we listen to him

don't you have a baby jeep to work on....

she definetly needs something that is easy to use.as long as the gates are ground out that might be an option.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 10:43 AM   #383
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problem is you have a 4 speed and a standard forward valve body.
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I have an art-carr with a nodified gate from RN2 sense I do most of driving in 2nd its a quick flip to R.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 11:49 AM   #385
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Cover......part # 12577903
Gasket....part # 125532190

At the dealer. I looked elsewhere, the shipping was more then the part.

need the oil dipstick tube and stick as well

tube.....part # 12570623
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Do you still need these parts?
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Old February 18th, 2011, 12:16 PM   #386
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Do you still need these parts?
yes, havent ordered them yet
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Old February 18th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #387
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i like the winters shifters
looked into them, couldn't find a single 1 for a 4l80. same for the Hurst.

looks like http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-80706/ like Hag gar recommends and cut the gates, or go with Lokar. Not making a decision today, still looking for options.

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Old February 18th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #388
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looked into them, couldn't find a single 1 for a 4l80.
i think you just have to use a 700r4 shifter, but im not sure

i know people who are using them but there running full manual valve bodies but i dont think that makes a difference
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Old February 18th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #389
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oil cooler, distick tube being picked up at dealership Tuesday.
Jimsperformance just called too......harnass is done.


Aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...progress
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A shifter for a 700r4 should work on a 4L80. The detents are the same between them. For what it's worth, I'm using a TH400 shifter on a 6L80... I just swapped out the gate plate and made the changes I wanted. I have a B&M pro ratchet or something like that, same as billavista's writeup. The difference between the shifters application is the gate plate and the hardware kit that comes in the box.

I'm pretty sure the lokar shifters do have some sort of detent to them. There is a button on the top of the knob that locks out park or reverse. At least from the few I have played with.
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Becky, have you ever actually used one of the Lokar shifters? I drove a rig with one for about 5 minutes and absolutely HATED it. The only worse method of shifting I could think of would be cutting a hole in the floor and reaching down to move the linkage by hand. I loved the B&M Megashifter ratchet shifter I had in my old Chevelle but I still think the Art Carr/Winters gated style is the best out there for offroad. Since you don’t like that kind I say go for the modded Pro Ratchet like others seem to be happy with.

Now that I think about it I’m pretty sure I’ve still got a new Winters shifter sitting around that I need to sell…..
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Becky, have you ever actually used one of the Lokar shifters? I drove a rig with one for about 5 minutes and absolutely HATED it. The only worse method of shifting I could think of would be cutting a hole in the floor and reaching down to move the linkage by hand. I loved the B&M Megashifter ratchet shifter I had in my old Chevelle but I still think the Art Carr/Winters gated style is the best out there for offroad. Since you donít like that kind I say go for the modded Pro Ratchet like others seem to be happy with.

Now that I think about it Iím pretty sure Iíve still got a new Winters shifter sitting around that I need to sellÖ..
Well get your ass out in the garage and look! Whats the hold up? That back and forth bullshit is what I hated about the gates on the Art Carr......if the gates can be modified to go straight to reverse, i think i would be just fine.

No, ive never even seen the lokar, was just such limited options for the 4l80 and that was one. I have enough temper issues without adding a shifter to the mix that will piss me off..But Bryce just opened up a new world if I can use one for a 700r4

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I'm pretty sure GM follows this standard when designing the detents and throws on the range selection lever on the trans.

P-R= 22 degrees
R-N-D-3-2-1= 11 degrees each.

The P-R is longer because that's what is needed to reliably actuate the parking pawl. The pawl is also designed to engage at 3mph and below, above that speed and the angles, reliefs and spring tensions are such that it will ratchet until it's safe to engage. It's been said that it's safe to put your car into park at 25 mph but I'm not willing to test the design standards on my dime.

That's enough useless BS from me.

Heres your info.

http://www.bmracing.com/PRODUCTS/Com...Grip-Pro-Stick That's the one I have, except in a different color. Notice the applications?

"Fits GM TH-400, 350, 250, 200, 700R4, 200-4R (TH-700R4 & 200-4R req. 4 spd gate plate #80712), 4L80E & 4L85E. Ford C4, C6 & AOD (AOD requires #40496 installation kit). Chrysler í66 & later Torqueflite A727 & A904."

Install instructions: http://www.bmracing.com/bmracing/ins...ruction/18.pdf

4 speed gate plate: http://www.bmracing.com/PRODUCTS/Aut...orward-Pattern
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I'm pretty sure GM follows this standard when designing the detents and throws on the range selection lever on the trans.

P-R= 22 degrees
R-N-D-3-2-1= 11 degrees each.

The P-R is longer because that's what is needed to reliably actuate the parking pawl. The pawl is also designed to engage at 3mph and below, above that speed and the angles, reliefs and spring tensions are such that it will ratchet until it's safe to engage. It's been said that it's safe to put your car into park at 25 mph but I'm not willing to test the design standards on my dime.

That's enough useless BS from me.

Heres your info.

http://www.bmracing.com/PRODUCTS/Com...Grip-Pro-Stick That's the one I have, except in a different color. Notice the applications?

"Fits GM TH-400, 350, 250, 200, 700R4, 200-4R (TH-700R4 & 200-4R req. 4 spd gate plate #80712), 4L80E & 4L85E. Ford C4, C6 & AOD (AOD requires #40496 installation kit). Chrysler í66 & later Torqueflite A727 & A904."

Install instructions: http://www.bmracing.com/bmracing/ins...ruction/18.pdf

4 speed gate plate: http://www.bmracing.com/PRODUCTS/Aut...orward-Pattern
gate plate not available there at this time, but found it here http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...NInRCeVk3iCYXw
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Well get your ass out in the garage and look! Whats the hold up? That back and forth bullshit is what I hated about the gates on the Art Carr......if the gates can be modified to go straight to reverse, i think i would be just fine.

No, ive never even seen the lokar, was just such limited options for the 4l80 and that was one. I have enough temper issues without adding a shifter to the mix that will piss me off..But Bryce just opened up a new world if I can use one for a 700r4
I wasn't in a rush cuz you said you hated the gated ones! I'll check it out tonight or tomorrow and shoot you pics....I'm 90% sure I still have it.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #396
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I wasn't in a rush cuz you said you hated the gated ones! I'll check it out tonight or tomorrow and shoot you pics....I'm 90% sure I still have it.
Yea, before i was schooled that they could be modified. Good to know, i'm learning a ton with this build
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Read it again.

I bought mine from summit.
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Winters has shifters for 4L80E and 700r4. I've had both in my hands and had different part numbers, but I didn't look to see what was different. I was just bummed because I was supposed to get a 4L80E and TH400 shifter, and of course I didn't get the right one until the day after our last race.
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Old February 20th, 2011, 03:26 PM   #399
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This modified. Done. Thanks Corey!!!

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Mounts are fixed, headers are on, harness should be here today or tomorrow. Fuel pump and wiring getting worked on this week. Maybe the panal for the gauges as well......

Hopefully will be a productive week Thanks Kevin!!!
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