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Old February 8th, 2011, 09:25 PM   #241
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I have an external pump on my rig and my last rig also. Its a ford f250 frame rail pump that is like 80 dollars and have never had a problem and they are always in stock at advanced auto.
Yeah, frame rail pumps work fine if you don't wheel hard.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #242
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headers showed up here today. sandersons bare steel. the pass side doesn't fit round the novak motor mount. sucks, thats the only motor mount that fit worth a crap. for some reason i thought becky was buying novak headers. for anyone doing a ls swap, i wouldn't go with the novak mounts.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:21 AM   #243
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headers showed up here today. sandersons bare steel. the pass side doesn't fit round the novak motor mount. sucks, thats the only motor mount that fit worth a crap. for some reason i thought becky was buying novak headers. for anyone doing a ls swap, i wouldn't go with the novak mounts.
I called Novak and placed the order so i could ask them specifically if these would work with those mounts, his answer was "absolutely". The mounts were on back order because they redesigned them this year......looks like that was a bad idea for them.....and in turn for me.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:32 AM   #244
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Burried somewhere on gl4x4.... found the pic, just not where it's home is!

Behold the perfection! not really... but it's good enough to get me going until some issues show up.

Is that fuel filter going to sit inside the tank?

I will probably be building a fuel system like this for my TJ because i do not want to lose any interior space.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:43 AM   #245
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Wierd, mine appears to clear OK, although I did more test fitting on my drivers side. I will take a look tonight. Mine is a CJ, maybe the mounts are different
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Old February 9th, 2011, 07:46 AM   #246
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Wierd, mine appears to clear OK, although I did more test fitting on my drivers side. I will take a look tonight. Mine is a CJ, maybe the mounts are different
When did you order them? I ordered mine in Dec....they were on hold for like 3 weeks because they had just redesigned them and were still in production. Guessin they should have stuck with the old version.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 08:49 AM   #247
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I have the new style also. But they are a different part number for the CJs than the TJs.
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Old February 9th, 2011, 10:43 AM   #248
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Looking at Novak's site, my mounts look completely different than their TJ mounts.

For what its worth, I think that 'Novaks' header appear to be sanderson block huggers. THey look identical to the ones I got yesterday.

Novak's headers: (called CCLS1)

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/h...v8_headers.htm


Here's sandersons's LS1 block huggers (called CC1LS1)

http://www.sandersonheaders.com/Sand...er-Header.html

Here are pictures of the sandersons I got yesterday. I didn't do the passenger side, since that requires removing the oil dipstick and I was on my way to bowling...

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In the 2nd picture, you can see the location of the mount. The mount is under the 2nd cylinder back, the headers dump at the number 3 cyl. My motor plates are in the center of the 3 holes. You could gain 1/4 - 3/8 clearance or so moving them to the rear-most set of holes. Might help?
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Old February 9th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #249
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Wouldn't the stock manifolds have worked? I really don't think the headers are going to add anything to a stock engine except heat......and cost......and headache.
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Wouldn't the stock manifolds have worked? I really don't think the headers are going to add anything to a stock engine except heat......and cost......and headache.
On YJs, its not too hard. On TJs, the frame narrows due to the coil buckets and its hard to clear.

There are some OEM stamped manifolds for one of the corvettes that are almost factory block huggers.


But the wierd thing is that if she has the CC1LS1 headers those ARE the header that Novak recommends....
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Old February 9th, 2011, 05:07 PM   #251
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Headers are supposed to be to Kevins today and comp/harness being sent out to Jimsperformance this afternoon.

Decided on the Airtex E8248 for a fuel pump. Jim, I know you are set against external pumps, worse case .....this one can be moved to in the tank.

Bryce....thanks for taking the time to help out a newbie
I replaced my fuel pump with an airtex e3501m (01 2500hd with 6.0) and it lasted just over a year with 10k before it wouldn't put out more than 53psi , sending unit lasted a month.... This time I bucked up and went with a delphi. After some research I found that people dont have luck with the cheaper fuel pumps. I know you have a different application, but I will never buy airtex again
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the novak motor mounts pretty much suck for being supposed bolt in. on the ls motor, the mounts are in the same exact location on the block from drivers to pass side. the novak frame side mounts bolt over the factory 4.0 mounts on the frame, but the factory mounts for the 4.0 are not even from the drivers and pass side. one mount is alot farther forward than the other. so the novak ls mounts are not even close to the same spots on the frame. then the engine side of the novak mounts are adjustable front to back. on one side the mount is bolted to the block all the way in the forward location and the other one is ll the way in the rear location and the motor still isn't running perfectly straight in the frame. all that has the frame side of the pass mount way behind the spot where the mount bolts on the block and the header hits it. going to have to rebuild the mount.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 07:35 AM   #253
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Got to love this just bolt it in and go type of stuff.
Never works that way and the customer ends up spending more $ than expected and the installer/tech/fabricator/builder cannot charge for the time invested.

Sorry it is turning out this way, but I understand.
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headers showed up here today. sandersons bare steel. the pass side doesn't fit round the novak motor mount. sucks, thats the only motor mount that fit worth a crap. for some reason i thought becky was buying novak headers. for anyone doing a ls swap, i wouldn't go with the novak mounts.

Nowhere on their website does it say they are Sanderson headers. Theres no "brand" listed. I figured its a Novak site....Novak headers if not posted otherwise.
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That stinks. The CJ mounts I guess are completely different. They mount evenly on the frame. They are completely weld-in, though.

These are what I have:

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/e...ts/mmx-ng3.htm
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Got to love this just bolt it in and go type of stuff.
Never works that way and the customer ends up spending more $ than expected and the installer/tech/fabricator/builder cannot charge for the time invested.

Sorry it is turning out this way, but I understand.

Sent them an email about their motor mounts. If for no other result but to have them reevaluate the "new" design.

Kevin will be compensated for his time, had I known I would have just had him make the mounts......
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I don't even see the bolt in style offered anymore by them. Only the weld in ones:

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/e...nts/mmtj-g.htm

Maybe they found the same thing? MAybe call them and see if they can do anything for you...
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I don't even see the bolt in style offered anymore by them. Only the weld in ones:

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/e...nts/mmtj-g.htm

Maybe they found the same thing? MAybe call them and see if they can do anything for you...

I will at 8 when they open, in the mean time they have an email waiting for them.


Also, was told the corvette regulator/filter combo would be a good way to go. having a hell of a time finding this. Anyone have a link?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 08:03 AM   #259
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Nowhere on their website does it say they are Sanderson headers. Theres no "brand" listed. I figured its a Novak site....Novak headers if not posted otherwise.
They source them from someone, maybe not Sanderson; but someone.

Many companies go into agreements with other companies to purchase "unbranded" products they can distribute as their own.

With that said, Novak will (as a good standing company) back up the product as their own.
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They source them from someone, maybe not Sanderson; but someone.

Many companies go into agreements with other companies to purchase "unbranded" products they can distribute as their own.

With that said, Novak will (as a good standing company) back up the product as their own.

Really not an issue with Sanderson headers, more the mount issue. Also the fact that i called them and let them know what i had and purchased from them and they assured me the headers would work right around those mounts. We will see how they respond I guess.
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