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Old November 23rd, 2010, 06:01 PM   #1
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"The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth"

Thomas Jefferson was truly moved by the wisdom of Jesus Christ, however, he was also not "fooled" by the "bullshit rhetoric" (my interpretation) of the evangelists that penned the stories in the bible.

He set out to extract the word of Jesus, as he felt "the moral precepts of Jesus as more pure, correct and sublime than those of the ancient philosophers."

I must admit, not following a specific religion, Jefferson is able to summarize much of what was wholesome in Jesus' teachings and span across many other religions / views / ideals.


It's a good read.
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"The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth"

Thomas Jefferson was truly moved by the wisdom of Jesus Christ, however, he was also not "fooled" by the "bullshit rhetoric" (my interpretation) of the evangelists that penned the stories in the bible.

He set out to extract the word of Jesus, as he felt "the moral precepts of Jesus as more pure, correct and sublime than those of the ancient philosophers."

I must admit, not following a specific religion, Jefferson is able to summarize much of what was wholesome in Jesus' teachings and span across many other religions / views / ideals.


It's a good read.
Is this basically, the Jeffersonian Bible, where Jefferson took the new testament and cut out all the supernatural stuff and left the moral teachings?
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Maybe Jefferson was more interested in Jesus' "deluxe apartment in the sky".
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Don't let ScOoTeR fool you, it's a pop-up book.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 05:58 AM   #8
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Only when you read it.
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Is this basically, the Jeffersonian Bible, where Jefferson took the new testament and cut out all the supernatural stuff and left the moral teachings?
Yep.
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Book? You mean like paper pages with letters and shit on them? Haven't seen one in ages, used the last few last year to heat my house.
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You can read me the highlights sometime. I am not sure about the zombie you all worship.
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I worship none, but I'd be happy to read the highlights to you naked.
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You can read me the highlights sometime. I am not sure about the zombie you all worship.
The thing that I enjoy most in this book is that none of the "zombie" stuff is there, neither is the immaculate conception, and anything else that defies modern-day science / logic; you can read what Jesus said without having to filter out [what Jefferson believed to be] the unnecessary fluff.

Really, what does a virgin birth or the resurrection have to do with the message Jesus brought to man? It seems like a lot of nonsensical fantasy B.S. to literally pommel the bible reader with "proof" Jesus was the Son of God. Personally, I feel Jesus did exist, was a great teacher - but get turned off by all the worthless rhetoric Jefferson cut out.

Again - this is only MY OPINION, and no more valid than Aber61's or anyone elses. Nice thing is - it's mine.
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The thing that I enjoy most in this book is that none of the "zombie" stuff is there, neither is the immaculate conception, and anything else that defies modern-day science / logic; you can read what Jesus said without having to filter out [what Jefferson believed to be] the unnecessary fluff.

Really, what does a virgin birth or the resurrection have to do with the message Jesus brought to man? It seems like a lot of nonsensical fantasy B.S. to literally pommel the bible reader with "proof" Jesus was the Son of God. Personally, I feel Jesus did exist, was a great teacher - but get turned off by all the worthless rhetoric Jefferson cut out.
I Understand that it's your opinion but......

Jesus did speak alot about the kingdom of God. It has alot to do with his ministry. The Virgin Birth and, more importantly, the resurrection are crucial parts in the reasoning why he claims to be the Son of God.

Sure, This is probably mostly the "Fluff" part, but he does talk about His father and "the kingdom of God" quite often. His Message was that he has come to redeem the world through his sacrifice on the cross. This idea also negates why he would think he would have to die for his message. He Specifically says, in all 4 gospels (if I'm not Mistaken), that he must die to continue his fathers will.

Anybody, who is not insane, would not think they have to die to get their message across. Not only die, but die in a Horrific way he did, in such a Humble way that he did. That, of course, could more of the "Fluff" of the gospels but there is a point, one that many skeptics say "we" cross all the time, that you have to believe it all and can't pick or choose.

Jesus Taught to love each other. He didn't teach this because it was an idea he had while he was building some furniture when he was 33; or that he was tired of building said furniture and wanted to do something different. It was because that is the Nature of his Heavenly father. To Love. Alot of Skeptics believe that Jesus existed and was a great man. He effected the world in a huge way. Believer or not, you can't deny that. I just question those that are not believers who can ignore the Talk of "The kingdom of God" and "I am the Son of God" talk.
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I just question those that are not believers who can ignore the Talk of "The kingdom of God" and "I am the Son of God" talk.
Just as I question how a woman can give birth without having intercourse or someone can die & come back to life days later.
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I Understand that it's your opinion but......

Jesus did speak alot about the kingdom of God. It has alot to do with his ministry. The Virgin Birth and, more importantly, the resurrection are crucial parts in the reasoning why he claims to be the Son of God.

Sure, This is probably mostly the "Fluff" part, but he does talk about His father and "the kingdom of God" quite often. His Message was that he has come to redeem the world through his sacrifice on the cross. This idea also negates why he would think he would have to die for his message. He Specifically says, in all 4 gospels (if I'm not Mistaken), that he must die to continue his fathers will.

Anybody, who is not insane, would not think they have to die to get their message across. Not only die, but die in a Horrific way he did, in such a Humble way that he did. That, of course, could more of the "Fluff" of the gospels but there is a point, one that many skeptics say "we" cross all the time, that you have to believe it all and can't pick or choose.

Jesus Taught to love each other. He didn't teach this because it was an idea he had while he was building some furniture when he was 33; or that he was tired of building said furniture and wanted to do something different. It was because that is the Nature of his Heavenly father. To Love. Alot of Skeptics believe that Jesus existed and was a great man. He effected the world in a huge way. Believer or not, you can't deny that. I just question those that are not believers who can ignore the Talk of "The kingdom of God" and "I am the Son of God" talk.
Yeah? Joseph Smith wrote that he talked to an angel name Morini who gave him special glasses which allowed to read special plates... It's very easy for me to ignore that, because it has no basis in reality and isn't believable...just like the supernatural stuff in the bible.

There are plenty of people who have died for their beliefs, that doesn't mean their beliefs were justified.
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Yeah? Joseph Smith wrote that he talked to an angel name Morini who gave him special glasses which allowed to read special plates... It's very easy for me to ignore that, because it has no basis in reality and isn't believable...just like the supernatural stuff in the bible.

There are plenty of people who have died for their beliefs, that doesn't mean their beliefs were justified.
That is a Matter of Faith. Pure and Simple. Jesus did talk about the Kingdom of God and Him being the Son of God though. Alot The only conclusion I could come to is that your excepting the ideals that, to you, a crazy person said. I mean, Do you find some of the things Manson said to be interesting, good ideas?

I can't remember who came up with this idea but here we go. Jesus is one of three options.

Crazy - He was just some guy who wasn't mentally balanced and happened to say some thing that where good.

Con-man - He knew exactly what he was saying and was just trying to get something out of it or trying to stir the pot of that nation.

Son of God - He knew exactly what he was doing because he had divine purpose to be on this earth. That the Circumstances that brought forth his birth were divinely inspired. That his Purpose on this world was to redeem the world with his sacrifice.

That being said, I may take a look at this book. After I read A couple more books about our founding fathers and their stand on faith from their own personal writings.
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That is a Matter of Faith. Pure and Simple. Jesus did talk about the Kingdom of God and Him being the Son of God though. Alot The only conclusion I could come to is that your excepting the ideals that, to you, a crazy person said. I mean, Do you find some of the things Manson said to be interesting, good ideas?

I can't remember who came up with this idea but here we go. Jesus is one of three options.

Crazy - He was just some guy who wasn't mentally balanced and happened to say some thing that where good.

Con-man - He knew exactly what he was saying and was just trying to get something out of it or trying to stir the pot of that nation.

Son of God - He knew exactly what he was doing because he had divine purpose to be on this earth. That the Circumstances that brought forth his birth were divinely inspired. That his Purpose on this world was to redeem the world with his sacrifice.

That being said, I may take a look at this book. After I read A couple more books about our founding fathers and their stand on faith from their own personal writings.
You're thinking of CS Lewis.
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