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Old December 1st, 2010, 07:59 PM   #1
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Are you legitimately worried that shariah law will replace our constitution? seriously? Just because some Imams talk about how they want to, doesn't mean it will happen or can happen.

Oh, I get it, you think that our constitution is based on the bible, so you assume it can just be swapped for laws based on the Quaran...hahahah. Luckily, we don't live in your theocratic fantasy world. Our laws and government are secular and shariah law wouldn't mesh well with the wall of separation between church and state.
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Did you hear about how in Oklahoma they did attempt to bring sharia law into that state only be shot down. It is being used in Europe, what makes you think that it could not happen here. Liberalism is rampant in europe and getting its foot in the door here. Muslims are being let into this country in record numbers and to think that they will obey our laws when thier numbers are greater in areas where they live.
You do not understand Islam and what it is about and if you did you would think twice.
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Do you really think they're going to start cutting the hands of thieves off, stoning women for adultry, get rid of bacon, do away with liquor and gambling ect ect? If any race is getting into the country in record numbers its them damn mexicans. I know, im one of em.
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Are you legitimately worried that shariah law will replace our constitution? seriously? Just because some Imams talk about how they want to, doesn't mean it will happen or can happen.

Oh, I get it, you think that our constitution is based on the bible, so you assume it can just be swapped for laws based on the Quaran...hahahah. Luckily, we don't live in your theocratic fantasy world. Our laws and government are secular and shariah law wouldn't mesh well with the wall of separation between church and state.
Exactly! Shariah law is based on the religon islam and the book thequr'an.
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Did you hear about how in Oklahoma they did attempt to bring sharia law into that state only be shot down. It is being used in Europe, what makes you think that it could not happen here. Liberalism is rampant in europe and getting its foot in the door here. Muslims are being let into this country in record numbers and to think that they will obey our laws when thier numbers are greater in areas where they live.
You do not understand Islam and what it is about and if you did you would think twice.
Who's "they" ?
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Muslims, who do you think we have been talking about? Mickey Mouse
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Look at france, they have a real real problem there with the muslims. No country has ever servived multi culturalism.
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Muslims, who do you think we have been talking about? Mickey Mouse
I assumed you might come back with some information on these unknown muslims who "attempted to bring shariah law into the state"... Anyway, what's stopping anybody from suggesting anything? Just because someone has an idea, doesn't give it any weight...

I could suggest that I get a pay raise, but that doesn't mean its just going to happen because I suggested it...
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I assumed you might come back with some information on these unknown muslims who "attempted to bring shariah law into the state"... Anyway, what's stopping anybody from suggesting anything? Just because someone has an idea, doesn't give it any weight...

I could suggest that I get a pay raise, but that doesn't mean its just going to happen because I suggested it...
Do a quick google on "sharia law in the united states" and see what you find.
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Do a quick google on "sharia law in the united states" and see what you find.
I'll find a bunch of freaked out conservatives like you ranting and raving. I feel like I have to say this for you. I DO NOT SUPPORT SHARIAH LAW IN THE US. However, I am not scared of it taking over in the U.S. It's just not going to happen. You are getting in a tizzy over nothing.
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I'll find a bunch of freaked out conservatives like you ranting and raving. I feel like I have to say this for you. I DO NOT SUPPORT SHARIAH LAW IN THE US. However, I am not scared of it taking over in the U.S. It's just not going to happen. You are getting in a tizzy over nothing.
It is thinking like this that will eventually let it get a start. Whether it actually will take hold is another question. If we blindly think it cant happen then it will. Look at what they are doing with the grond zero mosque. First it was a question of should it be allowed. Now they are trying to get it funded by the American tax payers.

Look around the world Mike. We are not the only ones having troubles with Muslims. They believe their way of life is what everyone else needs to adapt to. European countries are no trying to reverse the damage that is already done by Muslims that wont live by the laws of the lands they move to.

For the record I dont care what you do in your own home. Follow what ever religion you want. We as a nation should NOT be catering to Muslims (or anyonther religion) just because they will bitch and get their ugly faces in the news. Does tax payer funded foot baths in a college ring any bells?
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For one, we need to allow people to do what they want with their property, it's their right to do so in the U.S. Now, I don't think they need to get tax payer dollars to fund it. I would disagree with tax $$ going toward anything religious.

As long as we maintain our policy of separation of church/state we shouldn't have to worry about sharia law. Set up a hypothetical example of sharia law being included into our constitution...

The religion that I would actually be more worried about being injected into our laws is Christianity, since a majority of people in the U.S. are Christians. Muslims only make up about 3% of the population. We do a pretty good job of keeping religion out of the law. If this was a real threat, people would be up in arms all over the country and it would be on the front page of every newspaper. So far, it's just been a scare tactic used by the extreme right wingers.

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If you understood how the muslims get sharia law into this country you would be concerned. In Europe they began with sharia law into family court. A judge allows it and then presadent(sp) is established and then the push is on to rule along side thier laws then the % of muslims increase in population. The white people are forced to moved out of the neibourhood but not the country. The more they take over the more control they have.
Look into what is going on across the pond with Islam spreading. Europe has a problem and we will be next if we allow muslims to use thier laws for themselves in our country. It will and could spill over to nonmuslims. The rule of the land, our laws are for anybody living within our borders. Canadian law does not apply here, mexican law does not apply here just as sharia law does not apply here.
Muslims have been very sucessful at spreading themselves across the globe and taking over by population then with thier laws and thier laws do not stop at them. it is for everybody living around them. Look at the contries they lay claim to. Indonesia is one that comes to mind.
Just thinking it will not happen here is like sticking your head in the sand.
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I'll find a bunch of freaked out conservatives like you ranting and raving. I feel like I have to say this for you. I DO NOT SUPPORT SHARIAH LAW IN THE US. However, I am not scared of it taking over in the U.S. It's just not going to happen. You are getting in a tizzy over nothing.
Willing to be people said the same thing in Germany when that Nazi ideology first came along.

It is stupid to instantly dismiss it. I also do not believe it will happen, but it's still something that could happen.
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Willing to be people said the same thing in Germany when that Nazi ideology first came along.

It is stupid to instantly dismiss it. I also do not believe it will happen, but it's still something that could happen.
the nazi analogy is so wrong in this situation

Nazism used fear to get the masses to go against the Jewish Minority...hmm kind like the fear mongering of the extremist right wing over the muslim minority. Who's the nazi in this comparison?

So, do you think that comparing a situation where the majority took over the minority to a situation where a minority is trying take over a majority makes sense? I bet it was way easier to get a WASP nation to hate Jews than to get the WASP nation to accept Islamic law.


Again, I am not for Islamic Shariah Law in the United States, or anywhere for that matter. I think Islam is an equally ridiculous worldview as any other religion.
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the nazi analogy is so wrong in this situation

Nazism used fear to get the masses to go against the Jewish Minority...hmm kind like the fear mongering of the extremist right wing over the muslim minority. Who's the nazi in this comparison?

So, do you think that comparing a situation where the majority took over the minority to a situation where a minority is trying take over a majority makes sense? I bet it was way easier to get a WASP nation to hate Jews than to get the WASP nation to accept Islamic law.


Again, I am not for Islamic Shariah Law in the United States, or anywhere for that matter. I think Islam is an equally ridiculous worldview as any other religion.
The Nazi party didn't start as a majority.....

Forget the Nazi analogy. Think of any minority radical idea, that has taken over a country.

Hell, even use our own idea of self-government that started out small and won our independence from the British. Some historians argue that even our fight for independence was still close to a 50/50 split on where people stood.

All I'm saying is history does repeat itself, so just because you don't think it will ever happen, which like I said I agree with, doesn't mean it isn't a viable threat.
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For one, we need to allow people to do what they want with their property, it's their right to do so in the U.S. Now, I don't think they need to get tax payer dollars to fund it. I would disagree with tax $$ going toward anything religious.

Agreed. As long as it doesnt break any (of our) laws.

As long as we maintain our policy of separation of church/state we shouldn't have to worry about sharia law. Set up a hypothetical example of sharia law being included into our constitution...

Dont you think the European countries thought the same thing?

The religion that I would actually be more worried about being injected into our laws is Christianity, since a majority of people in the U.S. are Christians. Muslims only make up about 3% of the population. We do a pretty good job of keeping religion out of the law. If this was a real threat, people would be up in arms all over the country and it would be on the front page of every newspaper. So far, it's just been a scare tactic used by the extreme right wingers.
I usually dont agree with you but I respect your opinion even if you are wrong. This last comment of yours is a little crazy. Why is it a scare tactic to want to protect our country?
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