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Old November 19th, 2010, 10:04 AM   #1
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Anyone know about the DREAM act that the Dems are trying to sneak past us? Also known as the next giant assfukcing for the country? This one is going to make one of this country's biggest problems exponentially bigger.
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Anyone know about the DREAM act that the Dems are trying to sneak past us? Also known as the next giant assfukcing for the country? This one is going to make one of this country's biggest problems exponentially bigger.
Thanks for telling me what it is...
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It's basically an amnesty bill that allows illegal immigrants to attend college here in the US, and then get their green card after graduation. Once they have their green card, it opens the floodgates to get all of their illegal relatives into this country as well.
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It's also basically originally designed and introduced by , although it wasn't the "dream act" then. In 2001 it was H.R.1918 sponsored by republican Chris Cannon, in the senate it was S.1291 sponsored by republican Orrin Hatch.

Then it was in the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (S. 2611) and the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348).

Also currently the bill is sponsored by Richard Durbin, democrat AND republican Richard Lugar.

All in all why is it a bad thing to try to keep college educated people here? Sounds better then giving them a diploma and sending them back where they came from.

I'd bet someone with some education would have looked into a subject before ranting off about the assfucking america.
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Also just to clarify the bill,

"The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (The "DREAM Act") is a piece of proposed federal legislation in the United States that was first introduced in the United States Senate on August 1, 2001[1] and most recently re-introduced there and the United States House of Representatives on March 26, 2009. This bill would provide certain inadmissible or deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. as minors, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning. The alien students would obtain temporary residency for a six year period. Within the six year period, a qualified student must have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States," or have "served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge."[2] Military Enlistment contracts require an eight year commitment.[3] "Any alien whose permanent resident status is terminated [according to the terms of the Act] shall return to the immigration status the alien had immediately prior to receiving conditional permanent resident status under this Act."
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It's also basically originally designed and introduced by , although it wasn't the "dream act" then. In 2001 it was H.R.1918 sponsored by republican Chris Cannon, in the senate it was S.1291 sponsored by republican Orrin Hatch.

Then it was in the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (S. 2611) and the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348).

Also currently the bill is sponsored by Richard Durbin, democrat AND republican Richard Lugar.

All in all why is it a bad thing to try to keep college educated people here? Sounds better then giving them a diploma and sending them back where they came from.

I'd bet someone with some education would have looked into a subject before ranting off about the assfucking america.
Yeah, great. There are only so many scholarships and student loans to go around these days. Let's make sure our US born students miss out on them thanks to the illegals, who will no doubt get preference thanks to Affirmative Action, the ACLU, etc. Then lets reward the illegal with a green card so they can import their relatives here, so your and my tax dollars can support them all.

It's an Amnesty bill, plain and simple. You can point your fingers at Republicans all you want on this one. It was RINO's that voted for it in the first place ( Like McCain ). True Conservative/Tea party Republicans wouldn't touch this one with a 10 foot pole.

And anyway, it IS the DEMs right now, since they are trying to sneak this one by before the lameduck session of Congress ends in January, while no one notices since everyone is distracted by the TSA Molestation mess.
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I'd bet someone with some education would have looked into a subject before ranting off about the assfucking america.
Nice. Have you ever visited this site?

http://www.fark.com/politics/

You would fit right in with the clowns that post on this site. Every one of them is the smartest Farker in the room, real quick to prove their Intellectual Supremacy over everyone who disagrees with them.
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Nice. Have you ever visited this site?

http://www.fark.com/politics/

You would fit right in with the clowns that post on this site. Every one of them is the smartest Farker in the room, real quick to prove their Intellectual Supremacy over everyone who disagrees with them.
Wasn't blaming the , pretty much all politicians are worthless POS in my opinion.

I also wasn't pointing fingers, just stating the facts that you completely forget about in your rush to bitch about dems assfucking america.


One other thing Bush supported the dream act.
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Wasn't blaming the , pretty much all politicians are worthless POS in my opinion.

I also wasn't pointing fingers, just stating the facts that you completely forget about in your rush to bitch about dems assfucking america.


One other thing Bush supported the dream act.

Any politician who supports the Dream Act, or avoids the ILLEGAL immigration problem continuously, needs to be removed from office as far as I'm concerned.
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When legal immigrants see what the left are trying to do to win votes, even they are united in thier stand against the "dream act"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20101207/pl_usnw/DC13292
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Wasn't blaming the , pretty much all politicians are worthless POS in my opinion.

I also wasn't pointing fingers, just stating the facts that you completely forget about in your rush to bitch about dems assfucking america.


One other thing Bush supported the dream act.
I will need to see some proof of this.
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I will need to see some proof of this.
I believe he is referring to Immigration reform that was introduced in 2006/7, and was shot down... He talks about it in his book.(pg 305,306,) This is not the 'same' legislation... its not in the same ball park, just is the same sport... bad analogy, but it's all I got.

From my understanding of the book, Bush was trying to update/replace the Bracero Program, that had expired in 1964, which outlined the steps for immigration, but it is what the government was still operating under.
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Any politician who supports the Dream Act, or avoids the ILLEGAL immigration problem continuously, needs to be removed from office as far as I'm concerned.
Agreed. I cant believe so many people over look this part "ILLEGAL".

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All in all why is it a bad thing to try to keep college educated people here?
They are criminals just by being here. Criminals should not be rewarded.
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They are criminals just by being here. Criminals should not be rewarded.
But it implies MINORS - that may have not had a choice in coming here in the first place (though I'm not saying they begged and pleaded to stay in Mexico). So, we get some young kids that go to school, graduate, and stay out of trouble - in essence, good citizens. Why not let them be "legalized"?

We can get more tax out of them legally that way - and they end up helping pay for the programs they took advantage of. IMHO, in this light, it's a good idea.
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I might consider that if the rest of the illegal family was sent back or shot.

The big problem is what message that sends to the rest of the world. Go ahead and sneak in. the U.S. will just slap you on the wrist, send you to school, give you free $$ to start a business and make you a citizen. What is to stop the illegal flow into the country?
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It would be cheaper to send em packing than to keep em here.

http://www.examiner.com/immigration-...g-them-to-stay
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I bet it is even cheaper to shoot them all.
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First, both and have been gutless wonders in regards to immigration issues. They're all afraid of alienating the Hispanic voting bloc and tiptoe around the issue.

I oppose all legislation that rewards illegal immigration. I doubly oppose programs that provide illegal aliens with preferential treatment over legal citizens (born or naturalized).

We also need to address the flaw in our system that generates "anchor babies", and creates the unreasonable situation where a child is a citizen and their parents are not. The solution to that is not to reward bad behavior by legalizing the parents, it's to recognize that legislation designed to ensure ex-slaves weren't denied citizenship is being used to provide access for illegal aliens.

And to be clear, this applies to ALL illiegal immigrants - Mexicans, Irish, Polish, etc...
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If this passes, this is just one more incentive illegals have to come here. It's bullshit. Their parents come here illegally, work under the table, don't pay taxes but their kids get the benefits of school. It's bullshit.

I love how they are being rewardsed for breaking the law for a long time.
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But it implies MINORS - that may have not had a choice in coming here in the first place (though I'm not saying they begged and pleaded to stay in Mexico). So, we get some young kids that go to school, graduate, and stay out of trouble - in essence, good citizens. Why not let them be "legalized"?

We can get more tax out of them legally that way - and they end up helping pay for the programs they took advantage of. IMHO, in this light, it's a good idea.
Exactly. I went to wmu with a girl who was brought here by her parents from Mexico when she was less than a year old. She grew up in Michigan, and for all practical purposes she is an American. She was attempting to get a visa that would allow her to stay, but was having a lot of trouble getting through all the red tape. Last I knew she was still at risk of being deported to a country that she doesn't know, where they speak a language that she does not.
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