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Old September 16th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #1701
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Old September 16th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #1702
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the e303 is a lower end cam than the b303. the b303 is made for a stick and the e303 is made for an auto. but you can get a custom ground cam for not to much more than one of the cams i listed, and you can get alot closer to what your looking for.
jon, i think you could gain alot if you bought the gears out of my truck so i can get some new ones.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #1703
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Kyle if your looking for more bottem end out of it you want to advance the cam 4º. Advancing will move the curve down about 500-700 rpm and if you retard it you would raise the curve the same amount. I use a stock cam in mine advanced 4º and it has way more power down low than the fresh 351 in my f150 tow rig.

In my opinion a stock cam would get you more torque below 4k than either of the Motorsport cams. But if you were to try a new converter with around 2500 stall that would let the motor get into its curve a little easier with the current cam.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #1704
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Good info, thanks!
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Old September 16th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #1705
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the bad thing about a stall converter is you will get your trans temp allot higher. for running trails and rock it will be slipping all the time.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #1706
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the bad thing about a stall converter is you will get your trans temp allot higher. for running trails and rock it will be slipping all the time.
I have ran a stall for a long time and never had a problem.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #1707
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I also have ran a 3200 stahl converter for years. They create more heat, but just get bigger better coolers. No issues.
In a rig with lower gears, you wont really even notice the stahl that much, plus a lighter rig..rangers buggies, and jeeps the Stahl is that much less noticeable.
And besides..its way more fun to skip over the rocks than crawl over them..
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Old September 16th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #1708
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I like the direction you are going with this....
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Old September 16th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #1709
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Glad to hear its running better Kyle. I think a set of heads, (I would look for some trick flows or afr's myself) and a small converter would be a nice improvement. If you get serious about a cam lmk and we can do one that will run much better than those old school alphebet cams.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #1710
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Glad its working better Kyle you really know how to drive that thing too
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Old September 16th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #1711
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Here is my issue as Im running a very close combo to Kyles... Take a stock efi 5.0 and you have an easy 250hp and just over 300ftlb at very low rpm's. You add some heads,cam and intakes and you now have 100+ more HP but its all ABOVE 4500rpm and you will most likely lose torque below 3000rpm and then it will come on strong. Only way to get a bunch more power out of a small 302 cube motor is with more airflow and more RPM.
You spend 1500.00 on heads and valvetrain shit.
150-300 for a decent roller cam.
400-600 for good intakes.
200 for bigger injectors.
200+ for a bigger MAF.
Sounds like a great combo for a mud truck but I dont really see it making that much of an improvement crawling around at 1500-3000rpm.

Now the other option which I am leaning towards heavily is just leave the 5.0 stock and untouched and slap this bitch on for instant torque increase rite off idle.Most likely 100-150ftlb more.
http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/S...aflowzilla.htm

After all said and done I bet the blower would end up cheaper also but havent done all the math yet.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 10:27 PM   #1712
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I was thinking a small turbo, something that would spool up quick....that would be fun
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Old September 16th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #1713
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Look on youtube for clips from 2011 or 2010 Ultimate Adventure...There was a guy there from Mopar in a TJ with a SRT-4 motor in it. The dude had to hit everything at full throttle, no finess due to the turbo being load sensitive.Once he got it spooled up it was just off like a rocket. I drive a turbo Ranger everyday and I couldnt imagine tryin to wheel with a motor like that.

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Old September 16th, 2012, 10:44 PM   #1714
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Here is my issue as Im running a very close combo to Kyles... Take a stock efi 5.0 and you have an easy 250hp and just over 300ftlb at very low rpm's. You add some heads,cam and intakes and you now have 100+ more HP but its all ABOVE 4500rpm and you will most likely lose torque below 3000rpm and then it will come on strong. Only way to get a bunch more power out of a small 302 cube motor is with more airflow and more RPM.
You spend 1500.00 on heads and valvetrain shit.
150-300 for a decent roller cam.
400-600 for good intakes.
200 for bigger injectors.
200+ for a bigger MAF.
Sounds like a great combo for a mud truck but I dont really see it making that much of an improvement crawling around at 1500-3000rpm.

Now the other option which I am leaning towards heavily is just leave the 5.0 stock and untouched and slap this bitch on for instant torque increase rite off idle.Most likely 100-150ftlb more.
http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/S...aflowzilla.htm

After all said and done I bet the blower would end up cheaper also but havent done all the math yet.

No doubt a blower or small turbo would be fun, not sure about less money though. Not familar with what comes with the KB Kit but you still might need bigger injectors, maf, a fmu and a better fuel pump depending on what you have now.

Most people over-cam thier engines and like you said it is a dog down low but a set of heads the right size and a matching cam will increase tq from idle up, look at the gm ls engines, bigger heads and small cams with great tq and hp.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #1715
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Yeah Im not sure what all comes with the KB kit or what else is required. Might be a wash cost wise. But dam a screw blower would be hard to beat for instant grunt!

I have been into Foxbody stuff since 1989 and I know back in the day people could throw a KB on a bone stock mustang and make 350-380hp all day. 400+ was a easy goal and still safe for a factory shortblock.

Maybe Im just to big of a boost junky!
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Maybe Im just to big of a boost junky!




I am the opposite, my dumbass always stays all motor
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #1717
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Tossed the spare up in the bed, I like it. Gonna make a mount and screw in hold down. Not to bad to get in and out.




I also put a new battery in it, got a deep cycle since I ruined 2 batteries in in the last 2 years from winching....see how it goes.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #1718
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Nice car....is that your daily driver
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Old September 24th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #1719
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