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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:13 PM   #1
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:17 PM   #2
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Ney, If they try and re-write the constitution it will cost upwards of 45 million and tie up the new governor for 2 years. Both things I think can wait. The Governor needs to get to work on more important things and we don't have the money to spend.

I think it needs to be done eventually though. Maybe allow us to use the surplus we make to go to our deficits next year. It would give us the ability to not have to cut things.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:20 PM   #3
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No need to pass that, its been there since 1963 and was only on the ballet because it has to be every 16 years.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:21 PM   #4
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Ney, If they try and re-write the constitution it will cost upwards of 45 million and tie up the new governor for 2 years. Both things I think can wait. The Governor needs to get to work on more important things and we don't have the money to spend.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:22 PM   #5
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No. A gigantic waste of money and time.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:25 PM   #6
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Ney, If they try and re-write the constitution it will cost upwards of 45 million and tie up the new governor for 2 years. Both things I think can wait. .


Sounds like they ad's against it worked.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 04:34 PM   #7
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I say leave it as it is. It has served us well for many, many years the way it is. The proposal was probably put on the ballot after someone or some group was not getting their way and cried about the unconstitutionality of it all. "Hey, let's change the constitution so we can do the crazy shit we want".

And anyway, what kind of KLSTRFCK would the process of creating a new constitution be? You see what kind of crap goes on during campaigns prior to elections... lying, cheating, deception and smokescreens. And then when some candidates lose, out come the lawyers with recount after recount til they either finally get their way or the Supreme Court steps in. Remember Bush/Gore in 2000, or Al Franken in 2006? Imagine what kind of mess it would be with all the wacko people doing whatever it takes to get their crazy ideas into a new constitution?

Leave it the way it is. It has served the sane people of Michigan pretty well.
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I voted "Yes" because I think it's a good idea to revisit it every so often. If you are truly unhappy with what goes on in Lansing, electing new politicians every few years isn't going to change anything. I feel like you need to get in there and actually change the structure of the system (or at least attempt to).

I don't expect it to pass though.
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Sounds like they ad's against it worked.
I never saw an add for it.

































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no

Expense, and the fact that some 2A things could end up better, but some could end up worse. I haven't heard anything convincing me it was needed. And I never saw any adds either pro or con.
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I voted "Yes" because I think it's a good idea to revisit it every so often. If you are truly unhappy with what goes on in Lansing, electing new politicians every few years isn't going to change anything. I feel like you need to get in there and actually change the structure of the system (or at least attempt to).

I don't expect it to pass though.
Yes, but part of the purpose of Constitutions is to preserve the rights of citizens that founders of States and this Country felt needed to be protected. Imagine what might happen if the US Constitution was open for revision... the 1st and 2nd Amendments would be in jeopardy at the hands of the Liberal wackos. Don't think it would be impossible... 3 years ago no one ever thought the government could take over 2/3 of the American auto industry, or 100% of the health care and financial industry.
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No. A gigantic waste of money and time.


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Old November 2nd, 2010, 05:00 PM   #13
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I'll admit I didn't know much about it, but I voted no because I don't like someone promising change without explaining what it is. That sound familiar?

I do know it's a common proposal that comes up every so many years.

I did vote yes for 2 though.
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Yes, but part of the purpose of Constitutions is to preserve the rights of citizens that founders of States and this Country felt needed to be protected. Imagine what might happen if the US Constitution was open for revision... the 1st and 2nd Amendments would be in jeopardy at the hands of the Liberal wackos. Don't think it would be impossible... 3 years ago no one ever thought the government could take over 2/3 of the American auto industry, or 100% of the health care and financial industry.
The U.S. Constitution is open for revision and has been revised 17 times.
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I voted yes, after first researching why I should vote No.

This option will not be visited again for another 16 years and I think it is worth the cons to get the pros.

Rewriting the constition is the only way that we will be able to see things like township consolidation (big $$$ saver for the state) and a part time congress (we have the second higest paid congresspeople in the nation and are 1 of only 17 states that pay them full time). The congress will never put that on the ballot, why would they?

As for the 45 million cost, some of that is inflated becasue it will be spent on mid term elections in many communities even if we choose not to rewrite. If we vote in a good panal and get a part time congress (which is one of the major things these would be panal hopefuls are looking for) it will save Michigan 50 millions dollars per annum. If it DOES go our way, this thing will more than pay for itself.

Of course, this can open a can of worms and we COULD end up with things rewritten into the constition that we don't want.

I think the opportunity to put things to vote that we would never see on a ballot otherwise is an excellent opportunity.
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Imagine what might happen if the US Constitution was open for revision... the 1st and 2nd Amendments would be in jeopardy at the hands of the Liberal wackos.
Don't think for a second that it's only the Liberal wackos that we need to worry about. I'm sure that there are plenty of Conservitive wackos that would love to get their hands on the Bill of Rights also.
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Yes, but part of the purpose of Constitutions is to preserve the rights of citizens that founders of States and this Country felt needed to be protected. Imagine what might happen if the US Constitution was open for revision... the 1st and 2nd Amendments would be in jeopardy at the hands of the Liberal wackos. Don't think it would be impossible... 3 years ago no one ever thought the government could take over 2/3 of the American auto industry, or 100% of the health care and financial industry.
those amendments where revisions
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i'm pretty sure that:
1. cuttting state govt. salaries
2. correcting the horrible over taxing in this state
3. bringing actual business here
4. not giving huge tax dollars to subsidize hollywood movies to be made here
5. correcting the rape of unemployment and state entitlement programs

is more important than trying to rewrite the state constitution.
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This failed miserably


I like how prop 2 passed. poor felons. lol
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I like how prop 2 passed. poor felons. lol
I had never heard of Prop 2 until I saw it on the ballot. They should have called it the Kwame Proposal. Hopefully that proposal was the final nail in his political coffin.
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