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Old October 30th, 2010, 12:13 AM   #1
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Default New Taurus Judge Public Defender handgun shoots 45 cal and .410 shotgun shells.

Found a new handgun that I'm interested in buying.. Anyone here own one or shot one?

I think it's pretty cool that it'll shoot .45 cal ammunition as well as .410 shotgun shells. I came across some new Winchester ammunition called PXD1-410 that's for self defense that has 3 metal discs as well as bb-like pellets similar to a buckshot. Can load any combination of .45 cal bullets and the .410 ammo.

I think it's something great that my girl will be able to use for personal, home defense. Whatcha guys think?



Article about the gun:
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_...uruspd_201005/

And also the Winchester ammo that I mentioned above:
http://www.winchester.com/Products/N.../pdx1-410.aspx

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Highly effective in both shotguns and 410 compatible handguns, the PDX1 in 410 gauge features a distinctive black hull and black oxide high-base head and combines three plated Defense Disc™ projectiles and 12 pellets of plated BB shot. The result is the ideal personal protection load for short range engagement with the performance needed to stop threats. This load is also suitable for varmint hunting and pest control. Designed for use in the Taurus Judge, this new personal defense round provides maximum protection at close range.


I just think this combo would be perfect to keep in the night stand and would be something easy for my fiancee to effectively knock down an intruder.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #2
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Its not new, and its just "meh". Its is not a serious defensive gun, its heavy, and not very powerful. Ive shot one cylinder of buckshot through one, and I wasnt terribly impressed. The shot spreads pretty quick, and you have to remember that even in a defensive situation, you are responsible for everything that leaves your muzzle. Its really a gimmick as a defensive gun, and a range toy at best.

.45LC is no slouch, but you wont be buying ammo at wally world. I just threw .45LC into ammoengine, and quality defensive rounds arent cheap either. $1.20-$2 per round. That shit adds up quick. Even cheap .45colt is $0.50/rd or more, and most of that stuff looks questionable.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

For a nightstand gun, there are many, many better options. There are any number of 9mm autos, that not only have a good amount of firepower, but will have much more pleasant recoil. Not too many women will be very confident shooting .45LC through a small revolver, as it packs a pretty good snap. It was designed as a cavalry round for shooting horses. If she doesn't feel confident shooting it, she wont practice with it, and then its basically worthless.

I'd look at something like a Glock 19, Ruger SR9c, or S&W M&P for autos, and you cant go wrong with a S&W J-frame .38 if you want a revolver. Check out the model 642. .38+P is nothing to sneeze at either. Remember, generally the auto will have the nicer trigger pull, which should translate to better accuracy, they all pack way more rounds than the revolver, and generally have less felt recoil. The upside to the revolver is generally reliability, but I don't think it is as much of an advantage as it used to be. A cheap 12ga pump makes a pretty formidable bump-in-the-night firearm as well.


I dont think anybody would recommend a .410 shotgun as a defensive shotgun, so I certainly wont recommend a neutered version from a 3" barrel.

EDIT: No, it cannot load any combination of .45 bullets. It only takes .45 long colt, and .410 shot shells. It does NOT fire .45 auto.

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Old October 30th, 2010, 02:20 AM   #3
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its nothing beyond a novelty gun. may work for a home intruder but would be dumb to buy that gun to use for that role

just like flatfender said there are so many better guns to buy for person defense. a semi-auto 9mm would a better choice for your fiance. I would say a glock 19 or s&w m&p would be a good choice for the price point but I have no personal experience with either so I will recommend a USP compact.

if your looking for recommendations for a good night stand gun im sure plenty of people here can give their 2 cents but some info would help. things like how often are you going to shoot it? is it going to be carried concealed?

i would buy a used g19 and a rem 870 before I ever bought a Taurus judge for home defense. the one taurus i own currently has a slide cracked in the upper front connector area. sure its their cheap pt22 with 10k+ rounds through it but not something i would like to see in a company's gun lineup that im relying on to save my ass.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 08:16 AM   #4
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Yea, nothing new about it. it's neat but meh. I'm not a fan of 45LC and dont have much desire to shoot .410 out of a pistol.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 08:18 AM   #5
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Old October 30th, 2010, 08:51 AM   #6
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I think just the sound of cambering a shotgun shell is enough to send chills down the intruders back.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:14 AM   #7
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its a great gun for the bedroom, the car, the apartment, in public areas i would use the 45colt ammo to risk collateral damage but the 410 loads are great for areas lacking population.

we have the judges here in waterford at our gun shop and also have some of the hard to find winchester pdx1 410 loads on the way for them!

the history on the gun is not new by any means, that combination has been around for years.
in 1992 the Thunder 5 was released and it was what the judge is, a 45/410 revolver.
production ran for 6 years before it was dropped.
if you watch the movie three kings you will actually see a thunder 5 in it.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #8
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I think just the sound of cambering a shotgun shell is enough to send chills down the intruders back.
So a nightstand speaker with a recording should be good 'nuff 'eh?
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So a nightstand speaker with a recording should be good 'nuff 'eh?
if youre a bleeding heart crybaby lefty thats afraid of guns then yes, that is plenty.
Id rather have the real thing loaded up with 000 buck
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:28 AM   #10
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I think just the sound of cambering a shotgun shell is enough to send chills down the intruders back.
I agree and have heard that on a few shooting shows before. The sounds of a rounds getting "racked" is a scary sound, they know what is coming next
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:29 AM   #11
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if youre a bleeding heart crybaby lefty thats afraid of guns then yes, that is plenty.
Id rather have the real thing loaded up with 000 buck
That kind of drives my sarcasm. Some bleeding heart (retarded) lefty who watches too many movies will take the idea and use it to further their gun control agenda.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:36 AM   #12
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Have a .45 for home defense.. shot shells are available, I use them myself as my sons bed is on the other side of the wall at the end of the hallway, the shot will not penetrate walls, makes a nice hallway sweeper with hard rounds as a followup.
yes the shot spreads quickly (in a cool spirol pattern at that)
the shot will wear the barrell grooving a little quicker (so I've been told)
would not be my first choice for carry ammo though.

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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:39 AM   #13
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why because it is useless?
or because its a shot shell :)

Ive played with the 44 mag shot shell ammo, at 21 feet away with a direct hit it didnt knock over a bowling pin.
Id look towards something else for home defense bud, perhaps some of the safety slugs or something along those lines, i would put much more faith in them than i would a shot shell handgun round
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:50 AM   #14
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very fun gun! i use my 45/410 contender for small game hunting and its a blast. now home defense i may pick another gun out of the safe lol
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Old October 30th, 2010, 10:25 AM   #15
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Have a .45 for home defense.. shot shells are available, I use them myself as my sons bed is on the other side of the wall at the end of the hallway, the shot will not penetrate walls, makes a nice hallway sweeper with hard rounds as a followup.
yes the shot spreads quickly (in a cool spirol pattern at that)
the shot will wear the barrell grooving a little quicker (so I've been told)
would not be my first choice for carry ammo though.
I'm a firm believer that any round that will not penetrate a wall wont be much of a manstopper either. Birdshot is for birds.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 10:38 AM   #16
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effective range is like 14 feet with 410 shells.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #17
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imo its junk. too heavy, not accurate for the most part, not smooth, nothing more than a gun you pull out and mess with once and a while. like ff says you can buy alot of 9mm autos that are far better or if your set on a revolver buy a 38. imo again nothing stikes fear in a intruder than a pump shot gun chambering a round. but again what do i know im stupid and never shot/ owned a gun
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overpriced piece of shit. get a beretta or a glock and teach her how to shoot it.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 12:14 PM   #19
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I'd like to throw in my two cents here because it seems that some of you are missing some important points.

Thinking about DEFENSE guns, you must try to imagine how a scenario would go. Whether it's inside the home or on the street, are you wide awake, or sound asleep, is the attack from behind, sneak like, or is it right in front of you?
-inside the home, most encounters are going to be up close, within 10 feet or less, it may be dark and you'll probably be asleep, and birdshot may not take them down, BUT when it hits an attacker in the face, it WILL blind or temporarily blind them, giving you the chance to take more careful aim for a follow up shot, IF NEEDED (an important point because that will probably be enough to send the attacker running most times).
Thinking about it realistically, the first shot will likely be done in panic and, unless Rocky's GF, or anyone else for that matter, practices regularly and is VERY level headed in a situation like that, then she/they will likely miss with ANY single projectile round. A shotshell round of some type, quickly aimed in the general vicinity of the attackers face, will buy you VALUABLE TIME, to take that next step, whatever it may be.

-An outside attack from behind means that you'll likely be at point blank range and even a .22 fired into an attackers gut will give him pause and most likely send him running. If fired at the gut level, but pointing up towards chest cavity, it's also likely to puncture his lungs. If he can no longer breathe, he cannot finish an attack. And a .45LC is definitely more than enough bullet to accomplish that feat!


Those are just a couple different points, but whoever buys a defense handgun should FIRST, be thinking about WHERE it will be carried, WHO, is carrying it (and where on their person), HOW MUCH training/practice they have, or are going to get.
A person not well practiced with an auto, may find themselves in trouble in a panic mode. A D/A revolver is a simple "no brain required" point and pull gun. And in most attack situations, this is exactly what's needed.

Rocky, IMHO, The Judge IS a good gun when used as a personal defense gun. It IS kinda big compared to others though, due to the necessity of the long cylinder, but then, it's always going to be a trade off.

If it's for your GF, then talk to HER, and get her feelings on what she's comfortable with. If she's going to be willing to practice with it on a regular, almost daily basis, (3-4 times a week), then that will be what she needs to get very comfortable with an auto, so, in a panic mode, everything becomes second nature for her and there is no thinking about whether the safety is on or not......whether there's a round in the chamber or not.....etc.
If she will probably not be doing regular shooting, then I highly suggest some type of D/A revolver. Whether that be a Judge, something in a .38, or .22, or .357. Larger and they get kinda hard to carry/shoot unless they have a ported barrel. Remember, all .357 magnum revolvers can just as easily shoot .38's that kick less and are easier to control.

Remember, this is taking into account a carry gun by a woman. Men and women react differently MOST times, and also wear clothes differently.

Taking everything into account BEFORE buying (and being realistic about it), is the most important step in buying a personal defense gun.
The rest starts to take care of itself in the process.
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BUT when it hits an attacker in the face, it WILL blind or temporarily blind them, giving you the chance to take more careful aim for a follow up shot,


except you never ever aim at the head, always shoot center mass.
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