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Old October 29th, 2010, 10:48 AM   #1
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Exclamation Poor Mans Toy Hauler V2.0

Here was my first run at the toy hauler, super cheap and basically a portable garage.
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I sold that trailer when I sold the buggy, and I'm ready for my second attempt.

This one will have a lot more space and include more comfort features like a generator for when I don't have RV hook-up, heater, sink, shower, etc. Still debating on a toilet, but I don't think I am going to add one because we almost always stay at a place that atleast has a port-a-jon and I don't want to add a black water tank. Everything will operate on 110V, not 12V. The only 12V things I might add would be lights.

Here is the trailer. 30' flat deck and a 9' overhang
Man door on the drivers side

ramp door on the passenger side

Plenty of room to work on this one




Here is the empty floor layout.


And my initial thoughts of a floor plan

The overhang will have the bed, TV/DVD/Stereo on the front wall, and the side of the side opposite of the bed will just be storage for clothes/other stuff you need easy access to.

The rear 18' garage would leave room for the buggy (~13' overall) and extras. A toolchest would be on one side of the door opening and the air compressor/welder would store on the other side of the door opening. I would like to have a 2nd TV in the garage area wired to the DVD player in the front. On rainy trips everyone needs a dry place to hang out and watch wheeling videos.

The door opening from the garage to the main area is 30".
The shower is 36" x 36" but could easily be reduced to 32" x 32"
Instead of building a table that folds into the wall, I would just use a folding card table and folding chairs. This way we could move the table outside if it is nice, etc.
The sink would be opposite of the shower so I could plumb everything easily enough. I want to have the ability to carry a large amount of fresh and grey water so I don't have to worry about finding a place to dump it and fill back up frequently. I am hoping to find tanks that run the width of the framerails.
Next to the sink I might add a mini-fridge under the counter.

I'm still not 100% sure what to do with the fold out ramp door. My Dad joking gave me the idea on making a porch out of it with legs that fold down and support it. I actually kind of like that idea...

Looking to buy an awning too... just not sure which side to put it on.

This is what I would want for the heater. It doesn't require electricity which is perfect. That means I don't have to run the generator while we sleep, and I don't have to count on a bank of 12V batteries.
http://www.adventurerv.net/empire-10...t-p-14453.html
I do have one concern with this heater though. The website says "Vent-free systems are designed to provide supplemental heat and may not be used as a primary heat source." Why is that? Is it because it might rob all the oxygen out of the room, or is there another reason?

The generator and the propane will be mounted in the bed of the tow rig, so I don't have to worry about having that on the trailer.

This will be a very slow build. In fact, it might not even start until I get back from KOH... I'm still trying to decide if I should haul 2 rigs to KOH to help knock down the diesel costs.

So, What do you think? What would you change?

Another weird question... I assume the sides and the roof on this are not rigid. IE they flex when the trailer frame flexes... So how do you build walls that flex with the trailer frame? I'm mainly concerned with the wall between the garage and main area. I would like to seal that from the floor to the ceiling to prevent heat loss or any smells/fumes from the buggy to get into the main area. Also hanging overhead cabinets above the sink...

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Old October 29th, 2010, 11:00 AM   #2
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that should do the trick!
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Old October 29th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #3
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Looks like an a cool plan. I plan on doing something similar with the open deck gooseneck trailer I just bought, more on the lines of a removable camper so I could haul 2 Jeep if I want. Im also thinking of a way to make a portable/enclosed garage.
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Old October 29th, 2010, 06:07 PM   #4
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Looks like an a cool plan. I plan on doing something similar with the open deck gooseneck trailer I just bought, more on the lines of a removable camper so I could haul 2 Jeep if I want. Im also thinking of a way to make a portable/enclosed garage.
are you in with the MOB or something? how do you constantly afford all this shit ?
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Old October 29th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #5
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are you in with the MOB or something? how do you constantly afford all this shit ?
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Old October 29th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #6
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I'm doing much of the same on a much smaller scale (16' v-nose) for ATVs.

For awnings, I decided to use the pop-up shade shelters - cheaper and more flexible (move to man door or ramp door depending on site, wind,etc...

Making screen covers for ramp doors to allow airflow w/o black flies.

Look at the options available for e-track fittings. A few alternatives for storage that allow flexibility (like reconfiguring trailer for Harleys).
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Old October 30th, 2010, 03:57 PM   #7
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What does a enclosed like that run if you dont mind telling me? Pm me if you want. Thanks
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Old October 30th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #8
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Sweet. Floor plan looks good. Going to have to get it up here for graphics. I have a used pop-up camper heater that is "supposed to work" I would sell to you for $20.
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Looks good, I want to build something like this some day.

Any way to move the shower and cabinet forward (or make them movable/collapsible) might allow you to haul 2 rigs??
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Old November 1st, 2010, 11:30 AM   #10
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I want to see pics of the toy this is going to haul.
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I want to know how those indoor heaters will work. Im trying to hunt/camp out of an enclosed and i want to know how to heat it w/out 110 elec.
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Did you check the axle ratings for what you want to do with it?
I would take the ramp door out and use the space.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 02:54 PM   #13
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Did you check the axle ratings for what you want to do with it?
I would take the ramp door out and use the space.
I am considering moving the shower up near the front and basically not using the ramp door.

I got your PM, I'll talk to you about all the stuff when I bring the axles up for gears.

The axles on the trailer on 6 lug. 2 rigs would be pushing it but I would feel comfortable doing so.
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Awesome, we're working on a similar plan, but for the tow rig itself, not a trailer:



I'll be interested to see what you do to steal ideas.

On the heater, we picked up a Mr. Heater Buddy on sale at Cabelas that can work off of the 1LB bottles or a hose to a large tank. tried it this weekend while we were out working on the bus and it did a great job. Supposed to be ok for any enclosed space that's got some type of fresh air (ie. not sealed shut), campers, shelters, tents, etc. It was completely cool on all sides other than the front and the heat went straight up (no fan built in) and it warmed up the bus in no time. Figure I'll store it until we need it rather than mount it permanently.

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On the heater, we picked up a Mr. Heater Buddy on sale at Cabelas that can work off of the 1LB bottles or a hose to a large tank. tried it this weekend while we were out working on the bus and it did a great job. Supposed to be ok for any enclosed space that's got some type of fresh air (ie. not sealed shut), campers, shelters, tents, etc. It was completely cool on all sides other than the front and the heat went straight up (no fan built in) and it warmed up the bus in no time. Figure I'll store it until we need it rather than mount it permanently.

http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-MRHF.../dp/B00005LEXI
How much propane did you burn through? I'm guessing on a 4+ day trip I would need to carry a pallet of 1 lb bottles lol.
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That's why you hook it up to a large bottle with a hose. It doesn't need to run all that long to heat it up, I turned it off after a while and I had it on low. Didn't check the bottle yet.
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I'm leaning back towards leaving atleast 26' open to be able to haul 2 rigs... That means either the shower goes outside, or it has to go way up front.
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A small heater/furnace will heat that space pretty decent if you insulate the roof, but be sure to install a CO2 detector up near where you are sleeping, with the bed being up that high you may want to just rely on electric blankets or heated mattresses. Our pop-up has heated mattresses and a kick-ass furnace, but we rarely use the furnace because the mattresses work so well.

Things to consider,

You can't have too much storage.

If you keep stuff in the bed of the tow rig you have to take it out every time you hitch/unhitch, think about mounting the 'pane to the trailer.

If you don't already have a generator, think about a Miller Renegade 180 generator welder, dual power MIG welder & 5000w generator.

You can't have too much storage.

Awnings are cheap, put a big one on the ramp door side and a short one on the man-door side.

You might want to add some windows &/or skylights to that beeotch, it's gonna get dark in there.

Run your plumbing in the divider wall between the quarters and the garage and put a couple spigots or a slop sink on the garage side.

Floor drain on the garage side.

You can't have too much storage.
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is this thing done yet? do anymore investigating on the wall heaters? i need to steal some ideas
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It is now storing a bedroom set and a pile of trim.... along with random buggy parts.
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