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Old October 19th, 2010, 11:21 PM   #1
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Default Lottery bill in Michigan legislature could limit winner's take

I think this is a GREAT idea! If my tax dollars are bails people out, and keeping them fed, and housed, why should they be able to do things that I can't afford to do? Very little doubt that the bill will pass, but at least it gets peopel thinking of the idea. Kudos to the rep. for putting it out there. :clap:

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State lawmakers are being asked to prevent any person receiving welfare from winning major Michigan State Lottery prizes. And the idea has area residents and business people at odds.

If signed into law, the proposed legislation would prohibit a person getting welfare, food stamps or Medicaid from collecting a lottery prize of more than $600. If the prize were larger, the portion not paid to the winner would go to the state School Aid Fund, as does all unclaimed lottery prize money.

House Bill 6534 was introduced Oct. 5 by state Rep. Tom McMillin of Rochester Hills and co-sponsored by House members Jim Stamas of Midland, David Agema of Grandville and Pete Lund of Shelby Township. All are Republicans.

McMillin, a freshman legislator, said he introduced the bill because the concept had been on his mind and he wanted to "open up debate."

"The lottery is a bad gamble for a lot of people," McMillin said. "Some people play it for recreation. One too many times, I saw people standing in line who appeared to be poor and they were buying tons of lottery tickets."

McMillin said his goal is to keep people in need from wasting money.

"They should save it and buy some clothes and food -- and make sure they're looking good when they go out for a job interview," McMillin said.

"You can't stop somebody from buying the tickets," he added, "so this was the only way to dampen the desire to throw their money away."

Local views about the proposal seem mixed.

"That ain't right," Paul Schultz, 53, of Port Huron said. "That's not fair. They paid for their ticket. It might help them out."

"Why should they do that?" said Norene Ruel, 59, of Port Huron. "I don't think that's right. If they want to spend their money on the lottery, let them."

Tom Bachman, 66, of Port Huron had a different perspective.

"If they're on welfare," he said, "they've got no business spending their money on the lottery."

Bachman's view was echoed by Najib Kakos, who owns Buscemi's/Beverage Barrel in downtown Port Huron, where lottery tickets are sold. He said the legislation would have his support regardless of its impact on lottery sales at his business.

"We have family members that own businesses in the Detroit area, primarily in really poor neighborhoods," he said. "Their lottery sales are unbelievable compared to ours.

"If you're barely making it, you shouldn't be gambling," Kakos said. "The money should be used for food and shelter. It doesn't matter if it hurts our sales -- it's about doing what's right."

One owner of a ticket outlet disagreed.

"If a person got a million-dollar ticket, then they should win a million -- or $50,000 or whatever," said Dennis Zielke, owner of Adair Market in Casco Township. "They should be able to have it."

Owners of several local stores that sell lottery tickets declined comment.

Andi Brancato, director of public relations for the Michigan Lottery, said there are concerns about the idea.

"There are some questions about the enforcement provisions which we don't really feel are in the bill right now," she said. "So, without any enforcement provisions, it's difficult for us to elaborate on the bill."

McMillin said enforcement would occur at the state level because $600 is the maximum amount that can be paid out at the store where the winning ticket was bought.

For any greater prize, "the winner has to come to Lansing to get it," he said, "and they can match up the name and ensure that they're not on state assistance."

McMillin said he knows of no other state that has adopted such a plan but said a similar bill was considered -- and rejected -- in Tennessee.

As for his own proposal, "I don't expect it to necessarily pass this year," McMillin said.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #2
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I don't play the lottery, or gamble for that matter. Part of the reason I'm against gambling stems from my running a lottery machine in Ohio 27 years ago. It was insane. The people standing in line to buy the tickets were scummy trailer trash losers and crazy old ladies with magic number combinations. When the lottery was high, the line would wind around the store and spill outside. People were playing 20, 50, or 100 bucks at a time and they did this twice a week! These were the same people that cried on my shoulders about how little money they have and how life is just unfair. I remember one lady who lived on dog food so she could spend all here money on the lottery. Fucking losers.

I don't miss that shitty job or those lottery morons one bit. When some douche at the gas station is holding up the line because they are fucking with scratch offs, I think of the misery I delt with serving the lotter fucktards so many years ago.
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Got my vote on this!!!! I hope this passes
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Old October 20th, 2010, 06:52 AM   #4
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I just skimmed over this so maybe I missed something. Why limit the payout and then they are still stuck on government aid? Instead, why not give the the payout but take them off the list for government aid.......... FOREVER.
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I just skimmed over this so maybe I missed something. Why limit the payout and then they are still stuck on government aid? Instead, why not give the the payout but take them off the list for government aid.......... FOREVER.
I was thinking the same thing, how is keeping their winnings going to make them get off aid? They have to claim the prize money and pay taxes on it, then their "income" would throw them into a bracket where they are no longer elligable.....right?

I get what he's trying to do, but it will never work.
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Love the idea! There are too many people collecting that have no business collecting. The only problem I see with this is the individual that wins could always have a family member cash it for a large sum of money.
On another note I did not like the comment made by McMillen stating "I saw people standing in line who appeared to be poor and they were buying tons of lottery tickets". You never know the situation of someone and just because they may look the part of a poor person doesn't mean they are. This is a perfect example of judging someone before you get to know them. Right away he drew a negative opinion of them because they looked poor and were buying lottery tickets. I once lived in Pikeville, Ky and there was a man that walked around and looked like a homeless person, come to find out the man was one of the richest men in Pike County, he sold over a thousand acres of his property that were full of coal.
If the bill were put to a vote I would support it.
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I just skimmed over this so maybe I missed something. Why limit the payout and then they are still stuck on government aid? Instead, why not give the the payout but take them off the list for government aid.......... FOREVER.
Well that would be great but they never win. At least this makes them have a possibility of spending their money on something useful...

I really like the idea for the bill but there are too many poor people in Michigan and way to many people that "need" to make sure the scumbags get all the help they can get to have this bill passed
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What's the difference between them spending money on beer and cigarettes or lottery tickets? Our system allows for discretionary spending while on aid. Right or wrong, that's another discussion but if you are going to limit one, you need to limit the rest.

RE the appearance of someone, I grew up 3 doors from the grandson of SS Kresgee. (the founder of K-Mart) He was a successful businessman who had a manufacturing company. (and lots of money) He ALWAYS wore work shop clothes. The only time I saw him dressed up was for weddings, funerals and church. I also had a guy who worked for me years ago. One of the sharpest designers I have ever worked with. He owned horses and alway came to work with hay on his sweater and smelled like a barn. But, he was a guy who paid cash for his cars.

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great idea, I like it. This will deter people from buying tickets.
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On another note I did not like the comment made by McMillen stating "I saw people standing in line who appeared to be poor and they were buying tons of lottery tickets". You never know the situation of someone and just because they may look the part of a poor person doesn't mean they are. This is a perfect example of judging someone before you get to know them. Right away he drew a negative opinion of them because they looked poor and were buying lottery tickets.
bla bla bla. I don't like that he made a comment that could offend somebody someplace somewhere.

Get over it and quit being so damn PC. What he was doing was trying to be as delicate as possible about calling dirtbags dirtbags.

I'm not all about judging people, but I know numerous poor fukc dirtbags who buy lottery tickets, booze, etc with their state money. If I were doing an interview, I couldn't exactly say it that way though.

As for the bill, I say we don't allow these dirtbags to get cash off there bridge cards. Only for approved food items. Then they buy food and they don't have cash to buy the lottery tickets anyway. If they cash pop bottles, then they can buy some damn tickets.
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I just skimmed over this so maybe I missed something. Why limit the payout and then they are still stuck on government aid? Instead, why not give the the payout but take them off the list for government aid.......... FOREVER.
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What's the difference between them spending money on beer and cigarettes or lottery tickets? Our system allows for discretionary spending while on aid. Right or wrong, that's another discussion but if you are going to limit one, you need to limit the rest.

RE the appearance of someone, I grew up 3 doors from the grandson of SS Kresgee. (the founder of K-Mart) He was a successful businessman who had a manufacturing company. (and lots of money) He ALWAYS wore work shop clothes. The only time I saw him dressed up was for weddings, funerals and church. I also had a guy who worked for me years ago. One of the sharpest designers I have ever worked with. He owned horses and alway came to work with hay on his sweater and smelled like a barn. But, he was a guy who paid cash for his cars.

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Agreed

This is another example of someone pushing a button in a way to incite anger among the voters. This will never pass, yet it gets people talking. Take the posts in this thread for example.

Nobody want a welfare system (ok, maybe some, but I argue they are a small minority) but this is not the answer.
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Let them keep buying the tickets- then I'll buy my twice a year tickets, win, and laugh all the way to the bank.
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Good bill. I would vote for it in a heart beat. If they cant afford to buy a nice outfit to go to a job interview but can buy lottery tickets and other bullshit something is wrong. Ive been down and out before and still made it on what I could make. Not what i could get for free from tax payers.
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except an "easy" $600 is still enough reason for these dirtasses to buy scratch-off tix.
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Good bill. I would vote for it in a heart beat. If they cant afford to buy a nice outfit to go to a job interview but can buy lottery tickets and other bullshit something is wrong. Ive been down and out before and still made it on what I could make. Not what i could get for free from tax payers.
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