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Old September 27th, 2010, 08:16 AM   #1
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This stuff drives me nuts. Reconciliation is terrible when want to pass something, but it's perfectly fine when want to...sheesh.
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No, but it is okay to use to clean up democratic fuck-ups
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Was it ok to pass the 2004 Bush Tax Cuts with reconciliation, then?
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Was it ok to pass the 2004 Bush Tax Cuts with reconciliation, then?
Yes, the tax cuts are good. They improve the economy.

Obamacare is bad. It destroys the economy.
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So, the use of reconciliation varies based on the approval of the legislation by the ...ok, I get it now.

I disagree on the bush tax cuts helping the economy, also. Six years later, we are just doing peachy, right?
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So, the use of reconciliation varies based on the approval of the legislation by the ...ok, I get it now.

I disagree on the bush tax cuts helping the economy, also. Six years later, we are just doing peachy, right?
So what your saying is raising taxes and upping the cost of health care is the way to get the consumer to spend again right?
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So what your saying is raising taxes and upping the cost of health care is the way to get the consumer to spend again right?
no, I said that I disagreed that the Bush Tax cuts helped the economy. In the previous posts, I pointed out republican hypocrisy on the use of reconsiliation. Nowhere in this thread did I say that raising taxes and upping the cost of healthcare would get consumers to spend.
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So what you are saying is two wrongs make a right? We can discuss that topic if your mommy never did when you were little...
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So what you are saying is two wrongs make a right? We can discuss that topic if your mommy never did when you were little...
I don't think the use of reconciliation is wrong. I do think it's wrong for the to scream bloody murder if the dems consider it, but then not think twice about using it in their favor. It's called hypocrisy.
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I don't think the use of reconciliation is wrong. I do think it's wrong for the to scream bloody murder if the dems consider it, but then not think twice about using it in their favor. It's called hypocrisy.
Is it any better that Nancy Pelosi said it was unamerican to protest against our current president?
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Is it any better that Nancy Pelosi said it was unamerican to protest against our current president?
I'm not sure if that's relevant to this discussion, but let's look at the quote:

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However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.
I don't think she's saying that any protesting is un-American, but certain types, that she mentions (hanging a person in effigy). She specifically says that "drowning out opposing views is un-american". I could agree with that. Have multiple views on how to do things is the american way. Drowning out your opponent's opinion doesn't allow a good discussion to take place.
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yes they need to do this and get rid of all the huge government agencies it creates. not to mention the massive socialistic rights removed from working middle class.

1. stop treating illegals
2. standardize pricing for things to eliminate billing insurance companies $1,000 for xrays. I got 3 stitches at the emergency room and they billed my insurance $650.
3. promote patient accountability through patient out of pocket affordable routine tests and procedures.
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I'm not sure if that's relevant to this discussion,
It is relevant if you want to discuss the hypocrisy that is taking place. It is ok to protest the war that she voted in favor of, however it is not ok to protest the health care reform that will do nothing but continue to bankrupt the people/system.
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I'm not sure if that's relevant to this discussion, but let's look at the quote:



I don't think she's saying that any protesting is un-American, but certain types, that she mentions (hanging a person in effigy). She specifically says that "drowning out opposing views is un-american". I could agree with that. Have multiple views on how to do things is the american way. Drowning out your opponent's opinion doesn't allow a good discussion to take place.
She said it herself in that article, "Drowning out opposing views is un-American." Yet they pass Obamacare with the majority of Americans against it. Hypocrisy at its best.
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I don't think the use of reconciliation is wrong. I do think it's wrong for the to scream bloody murder if the dems consider it, but then not think twice about using it in their favor. It's called hypocrisy.
I don't know if your just stirring the pot or dumb because you must know that both parties do this all the time. Hypocrisy is politics.
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I am.
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no, I said that I disagreed that the Bush Tax cuts helped the economy. In the previous posts, I pointed out republican hypocrisy on the use of reconsiliation. Nowhere in this thread did I say that raising taxes and upping the cost of healthcare would get consumers to spend.
Tax cuts always help the economy....always...always...always. excessive and wasteful spending is what hurts the economy. Taxes could be cut by over 50% if we would demand the government prioritize spending starting with essentials and eliminating charity. The government and or tax money is not a charity or there as a means of collecting entitlement money.

Tax cuts good.....always
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I don't think the use of reconciliation is wrong. I do think it's wrong for the to scream bloody murder if the dems consider it, but then not think twice about using it in their favor. It's called hypocrisy.
It's called politics as usual. Time to change that.
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I'm not sure if that's relevant to this discussion, but let's look at the quote:



I don't think she's saying that any protesting is un-American, but certain types, that she mentions (hanging a person in effigy). She specifically says that "drowning out opposing views is un-american". I could agree with that. Have multiple views on how to do things is the american way. Drowning out your opponent's opinion doesn't allow a good discussion to take place.
I think that on an issue as big as this health insurance bill, it was un american to pass it without a general election. That bill got shoved down everbodys throat without any consideration as to what the people of this country wanted. Un American......you can bet your ass it was.
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